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Onstar Amended Changes to T&C - "We are still watching you!"

Anyone read the amended changes to the Terms and Conditions? Read it carefully now. Big brother is recording you whether or not you pay for their services or not.

The amended Terms and Conditions become effective on December 1, 2011. You do not need to take any action to continue to receive OnStar services under the amended Terms and Conditions.

DESCRIPTION OF KEY CHANGES TO THE ONSTAR TERMS AND CONDITIONS
The following set out some of the key changes to the OnStar Terms and Conditions. The headings and section numbers refer to the corresponding headings and sections in the amended Terms and Conditions. All capitalized terms have the same meanings as defined in the amended Terms and Conditions.

OnStar Data Connection — Initial Terms
We have added to the Terms and Conditions the provision that if you or we cancel your OnStar Services, we will maintain the two-way connection with your Vehicle and may continue to collect data from your Vehicle, unless you take certain steps to deactivate the Data Connection or fully disable the Equipment.

If you do not want OnStar to maintain a Data Connection to your Vehicle, you can push your blue button or call us at 1.888.4.ONSTAR at any time and request that the Data Connection be deactivated. It may take up to sixty (60) days for OnStar to cancel your account and deactivate the Data Connection to your Vehicle. During this sixty (60) day period, Service may still be available, and data may be collected from your Vehicle.

Upon deactivation, OnStar will no longer be capable of contacting, or obtaining data from, your Vehicle although you will be able to contact OnStar by pressing the blue OnStar button twice. To disable the Vehicle's ability to contact OnStar through the blue OnStar button, you must visit an authorized dealer and ask them to remove the Equipment from your Vehicle.

How Your OnStar Equipment Works, Geographic Limits, and Other Restrictions — Section 10
We have added to Section 10 the provision that OnStar is not responsible for your failure to comply with applicable laws while you are driving or using the Equipment or Services.

OnStar Advisors Connect You to Other Service Providers — Section 12
We have added to Section 12 the provision that OnStar is not responsible for charges, fees, or taxes arising from services provided by Service Providers, including law enforcement, fire department, or ambulance services, contacted by OnStar.

What If Your Vehicle Is Stolen? — Section 17
As with the previous Terms and Conditions, you can elect to deactivate the ability of OnStar to slow down your Vehicle. However, pursuant to the amended Terms and Conditions, if you deactivate this capability, you will not be able to receive any Services at all.

Your Privacy — Section 32
The amended Terms and Conditions reflect changes that we have contemporaneously made to our Privacy Statement. Although the Terms and Conditions describe and summarize some of the key provisions in our Privacy Statement, we encourage you to review the Privacy Statement to learn the full details of our privacy practices (a copy of the Privacy Statement is attached as Schedule A to the amended Terms and Conditions and can also be found here).

We have added to the amended Terms and Conditions more detailed information about the information we collect about you and about your Vehicle, including how we collect your information, what we do with it and how we share it. For example, unless the Data Connection in your Vehicle is deactivated, information about your Vehicle may continue to be collected even if you do not have Service. In addition to other purposes set out in the prior version of the Privacy Statement, we may use the information we collect about you and your Vehicle to improve the quality of our Service and offerings and may share the information we collect with law enforcement or other public safety officials, credit card processors, and/or third parties we contract with who conduct joint marketing initiatives with OnStar. The Privacy Statement provides certain options relating to choices you have concerning how your information is used and how you may manage your preferences. Finally, we have added additional information about how OnStar safeguards your personal information.

The Law That Governs Our Relationship — Section 39
We have changed Section 39 of the Terms and Conditions to specify that the laws that govern the amended Terms and Conditions will be the laws of the state of your OnStar billing address.
I'm not pleased with these changes...:wtf:

Hypothetically speaking...law enforcement will pull these records in accidents and use it against you....
 

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1. Lojack is a subscription based service, meaning if the cops in your area font subscribe to it it's about as useful as tits on a nun.

2. Ignition kill in our trucks is provided by the ignition switch which as we all know is frail at best.

3. OnStar has always been able to track and record data from anything it's in whether you subscribe or not. The only way around it is to remove all the OnStar components.

4. If an experience or even slightly experienced car thief wants your car nothing is going to stop them and they know all the quick ways around OnStar, ignition kill switches, fuel cutoffs etc. If they want your car bad enough it's theirs.
 

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Dont deactivate it with onstar! Just disconect the antenae from the module and leave the rest alone! That way you can always still hook it back up if you need to.
 

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My onstar didn't go back in. I filled in the holes on the roof for it.:bum:
 

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Why is everyone so worried about OnStar when the governments little eavesdropping device is probably in your pocket right now. Even when your cell phone is OFF you are still trackable. Anyone with a phone bought in the last few years has a GPRS connection in their phone, that means they can track your whereabouts if need be.
 

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Why is everyone so worried about OnStar when the governments little eavesdropping device is probably in your pocket right now. Even when your cell phone is OFF you are still trackable. Anyone with a phone bought in the last few years has a GPRS connection in their phone, that means they can track your whereabouts if need be.
Unless you disable your location on your phone.calls will still be tracked though
 

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Unless you disable your location on your phone.calls will still be tracked though
Positioning is tracked via "tower bouncing". You leave one cell towers range and your phone ID is registered at the next one and so on and so on. It's not as accurate but it can (and has) narrowed locations down to a 3 mile radius. Triangulation can narrow a cell signal down to 300 square feet. Best bet Would be a signal scrambler like one made by Ravelco but they're illegal in the U.S. and have been since their inception.
 

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who cares - if this is what it takes for the govt to keep us safe, so be it.
If you rely on the government to keep you safe, God help you.

They can't count their tits twice and come up with the same number.
 

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I'm not pleased with these changes...:wtf:

Hypothetically speaking...law enforcement will pull these records in accidents and use it against you....
Your ECM will also do that for you so no big deal.

The ECM will time stamp, tell what speed you were traveling, where your throttle pedal was (or brake pedal), engine RPM and wheel speed. before an accident or engine failure
 

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If you rely on the government to keep you safe, God help you.

They can't count their tits twice and come up with the same number.
I agree. I use to work for the City/Federal government and I have zero trust in them protecting us. They will protect themselves.
 
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