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Give me all the + and - of a stall. Especially guys who have them, I am thinking this is probably one of the if not the biggest bang for the buck. What can I expect? How much is it gonna hurt milage around town (it won't hurt freeway milage though right?). What size stall you guys running with JUST bolt-ons? Any and all info appreciated.
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CawexxV6Cpg

this is pedro doing a 12.633 in about 1200-1500 +DA at the time his truck was 3600 yank, LTH's, O/R y-pipe, adm efans, adm UD pulley and adm intake/tune

this setup will be 12's in almost every area of the country....the extreme heat and/or altitude would be excepted.....

i have the 3600 yank coming for mine and many that i have spoken too say the converters will pull on the bottom similar to a stock converter until you stomp it then it flashes to the stall of the converter....but pulls and drives as normal under light acceleration
 

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my gas mileage is at 12.4 CONSTANT, and i drive pretty fast. My tbss is my DD. I have no complaints with her
 

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I'd do heads if I had to do it over again. Abso-fucking-lootly without a doubt. Try backing into a tight space/garage with a 3400 stall and a cam. Forget it.. sometimes I just use my hp tuners scanner to temporarily command the idle to like 1050 so I won't be fucking around with the throttle. Its almost like I want it to stall out when I'm trying to backup a slight incline or a slight bump.

I miss my part throttle performance too. I regret doing the converter.
 

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I'd do heads if I had to do it over again. Abso-fucking-lootly without a doubt. Try backing into a tight space/garage with a 3400 stall and a cam. Forget it.. sometimes I just use my hp tuners scanner to temporarily command the idle to like 1050 so I won't be fucking around with the throttle. Its almost like I want it to stall out when I'm trying to backup a slight incline or a slight bump.

I miss my part throttle performance too. I regret doing the converter.
Is this just a problem with CAM + converter situations, or possibly just your tuning? I certainly don't want the converter if my wife (who will drive the truck most of the time) is gonna pull into Walmart and drill the car parked infront of her. My 65 chevy truck with cam and 3500 stall was a baby to drive, but that of course is not computer controlled. Or is this an isue with one brand of converter over another like Vigalante vs Yank etc? Anyone else have thoughts?
 

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You are going to "give" up something to "get" the performance.
Bolt ons are not a zero sum game...if it is your wife's D/D I would give it a little more thought...unless she has a real good understanding of the effects
the mods are going to have on the feel of the truck...with the converter it's going to always "feel" like there is something wrong with the truck...Not knowing your wife...you knocking 3/4 of a second off your ET. might not mean as much to her as it does to you... :biggrin2:


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Blades:With the cam you did you didn't have all that much choice but to do a converter...if you want to get all you can out of the cam...
 

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I had a 3200 stall in mine and while it helped at the track off the line it felt like crap the rest of the time i drove it. It would shutter at part throttle on the freeway unless it kicked down a gear and you had to hit the gas too hard sometimes off idle to get it going. The gas mileage sucked with it in there but when i had the trans rebuilt they put the factory stall back in. My mileage got better around town by at least 2-3 mpg's.

Now i'm sure it was the stall i had, not that all stalls would act like this. I had a tci street fighter. I guess they are pretty crappy cause my experience with it sucked. :jackoff:
 

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A converter from an Inline 6 TB would be a great compromise, slightly higher stall with much better part throttle response than a higher stall vig converter.
 

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I have a 2600-2800 Stall from Phoenix Transmission and love it. Under light throttle input you cannot hardly tell it is there and when you mat it it comes alive!!
 

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I'm running a 3400 vig w/ a 224/230 112lsa cam in mine. It actually drives quite nice since Brian "mygoatbites", fixed my tune. Before it used to die even pulling into my driveway, even pulling up to a stopsign w/ a slight grade it'd hunt for an idle.. Then die. The converter slipped a shitload and I don't think it ever locked completely to be honest.

He found something in the tune that showed the converter to be slipping at something like 90% while it was unlocked, and that was surely a big drivability issue.

But like I said.. That has since been cured and it's driving much better now ~save for a few quirks that will be taken care of here pretty soon :)
 

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Brian knows his stuff & is always great to help. Glad it is working better. See you at Ennis coming up.
Greg will be doing my stall & servo's in the morning. LOL
 

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I loves my stall. At first I was like 'OMG... what the fuck did I just do to my brand new truck'. But now, it is awesome. I get about 17-17.5 MPG @ 70 always, city driving about 13-14 MPG.
 

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I was wondering if you need to get a tune with a coverter?
 

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I think that would depend on the converter and the slippage. If it has a lot of slippage then then may need to move the shift speeds down to accommodate that.
 

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????? anyone complaining about the Vig 9.5" being sloppy needs to drive a TCI 9.5".. I had both and at WOT you couldn't tell the difference but at part throttle it is night and day... as for the CAM & Stall stalling out you know the reason for that... too high of an idle and it runs hot as hell and too low it'll stall.. I'm sure once that other cam goes in there you'll not feel bad about doing the converter.. cause had you just done the H&C it wouldn't come CLOSE to accelerating the way it does now..

as for the "2600-2800" stall guy.. why bother doing a converter? I received the wrong converter the first time. it was a 10.5" 2800 stall and the thing would barely hit 2600 on the brake and did nothing for acceleration..

yet another... the I6 converter is OK... that's it... I drove an SS with it and it was barely noticable.. nothing like steping up where the big dogs play with a 9.5". but if you had to tow that would be my choice otherwise get a 9.5" VIG, definately not a TCI, I had one and so did Saladbar mine died in a week and his took the whole trans out.. they suck for trucks IMO at least..

edit** if you're doing a SuperCharger then by all means do a 26-2800 stall, otherwise don't bother..
 

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So...where is the best compromise? I don't do any towing and the truck is a DD with my wife driving it most of the time, but I want to be able to have something better for when I am driving and need to get on it. Phoenix has the 2800-3000 stall, and I have thought about a 3200. I have never dealt with these types of parts before so what am I looking at for everyday driving? Feel?
 

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STUPID QUESTION? does a stall, like 1500-2500 help and not that noticable and MOST IMPORTANTLY does it void warranty
 

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I would call and talk to Greg and tell him what you want. He can build anything for you, it doesnt have to be one of his that are listed on the site.
 
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