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There are online such 4l70e
the price is. Why do they have written that do not produce, and sent to other suppliers?
Sorry
Maybe there was a language barrier. Reach out directly to Greg Ducato on this forum. That's my recommendation. FLT would be good too, but my personal experience is with Greg at Phoenix. I would steer clear of RPM. My $.02

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Discussion starter · #102 ·
Was going to order PRM Leve VI ... I read the reviews and confused ..
I know what I don't recommend: RPM Transmissions. Especially if you are out of country (or in this case continent) - and here I thought I had shipping problems.
 
I've had an overall great experience with RPM transmissions over the years. Some of them have been out there for years with racing abuse in all types of late model GM cars/trucks. I did have to return a built T56 once to fix some issues but they took care of it. There are variables of course like tuning for one that can have a large effect on the life of a trans.

My opinion of the company is based upon a sample size of around 40-50 or so transmissions over the years. Bad reviews with a sample size of 1 should be taken with a grain of salt. Overseas orders can be a pain but there is not a single trans builder for late model GM autos I would trust more if I was in that position.

If I was building a TBSS AWD that I expected to run 11s or better I would go with the Level 6 4L70 or a 4L80 conversion. I don't sell their Transmission services online, but do use them locally in a situation where a failure could potentially cost me labor so it is in my best interest to use what I feel is the best product.
 
Was going to order PRM Leve VI ... I read the reviews and confused ..
Phoenix trance I said -We cant help you with this transmission, try RPM or FLT transmission companies, they specialize in the TBSS 4L70E.

There was only Flt ..
Would you recommend FLT?
What to buy?
I've had nothing but great service from flt. Chuck is a stand up guy and builds a great transmission.
 
Yes, my sample size of RPM is 5-10, all with negative results. Clearly, they (more often than not) make a decent transmission or they wouldn't be in business. But there are (edge) cases (as with any business) where things do not go well. I and some local people I know happen to fall in the 5-10% that have had negative experiences.

Nonetheless, I feel less inclined to speak to my negative experience with RPM than I do to recommend Phoenix, which is what I've personally had great results with.

I've also never heard anything but great results with FLT as well.

At the end of the day, you have to go with what you feel most comfortable with and what is most convenient. If i was local to RPM, I'd venture to guess my experience would be different. But, shipping a transmission back and forth multiple times is not acceptable in my opinion! :barf:

Best of luck to the 4l70e hunters. I still think a 4l80e conversion is a good option as well!
 
After lots of reading and research, I will most likely be using Greg Ducato from Phoenix Transmissions or Chuck from FLT to build my 4l80.
I didn't see it mentioned, but Jake's seems to be pretty good rebuilding 80s also...
 
I believe there's a reason that Jakes Performance and Phoenix Transmissions don't like building the 70...Its just not designed for what we put them through...

Look at the parts list for a 700HP capable 4l70 and compare it to a 700HP capable 4l80.
 
I believe there's a reason that Jakes Performance and Phoenix Transmissions don't like building the 70...Its just not designed for what we put them through...
Hit the nail on the head... Truer words have never been spoken.
 
I believe there's a reason that Jakes Performance and Phoenix Transmissions don't like building the 70...Its just not designed for what we put them through...

Look at the parts list for a 700HP capable 4l70 and compare it to a 700HP capable 4l80.
Yeah sure go with Jake's if you want to get taken to the house for $3,000 .. read his Google reviews man.

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After lots of reading and research, I will most likely be using Greg Ducato from Phoenix Transmissions or Chuck from FLT to build my 4l80.
I didn't see it mentioned, but Jake's seems to be pretty good rebuilding 80s also...
Yeah sure go with Jake's if you want to get taken to the house for $3,000 .. read his Google reviews man.

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Ive read the good and bad reviews for all of them and Ive taken them all into consideration.. I did not say I was going to use Jakes, I said they seemed good at rebuilding them. I stated I will most likely use Greg or Chuck. :)
But i agree with you on that comment.
 
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Regardless of the number of failures RPM has or had not experienced based upon whatever the sample size is the simple fact remains: their reputation lies within the success of the product.

I know I put more value on my reputation than what can be represented by a few meaningless dollars. But, shit I am a commissioned Infantry Officer, not a guy slinging car parts - my integrity is mine to preserve or lose. And when I fuck up - I own up. Big or little I make it right, even it if costs me time and/or money.

When the tuning instructions from the vendor are: Put it back to stock. Done. And yet, the parts that fail (in this case the 3/4 clutches) were not supposed to fail (like a stock output shaft), one really has to consider what game the vendor is playing?

Simply put:
a) Build a transmission that is capable of working with the stock transmission parameters; or
b) Build a transmission and supply the appropriate programming/support with it.

I have stated before that if I was told by RPM to monitor and tune the transmission to certain specifications I would have done so (and bought all of the tools to do it). If I got it wrong and broke the transmission - I could accept that. But, no. This is sold as a plug and play option - and it wasn't.
 
When the tuning instructions from the vendor are: Put it back to stock. Done. And yet, the parts that fail (in this case the 3/4 clutches) were not supposed to fail (like a stock output shaft), one really has to consider what game the vendor is playing?
Stock may or may not be the right answer. I would agree with that statement if it was a bolt on truck. Depending upon what you have done on the ECM side of the tune that may effect torque reporting and other values the TCM tune uses to determine pressure etc. Lots of people fail to see the big picture of how it is interrelated. RPM (and others) build transmissions and do not tune vehicles. It is up to the person tuning them to dial it in accordingly. So much so that the few companies that do rebuilds on the newer A6 transmissions actually require that you use a tune they supply to have any sort of warranty.


So I don't really care who people like or dislike in the trans building world. What I said above applies to all.


You are convinced the fuck up was their's and not your's in this instance so I understand your stance given that is your belief. On the other side of the coin I have seen so many parts failures due to tune issues that a lot of major companies would be out of business if they replaced everything someone on the end user side screwed up.
 
This is in no disrespect to anybody, but I've never understood why people spend tens of thousands of dollars on a build and then get to the tuning and basically say...how hard can it be, I'll give it a try. There's a reason why the tuner is typically the most important person in a shop...and why many places succeed or fail based on who that person is. There are definitely people out there that have been successful with self tuning and typically have spent many many hours adjusting and readjusting their own work. To me personally, I wouldn't want to use my own truck as a guinea pig, but I understand that at times it's the only option. At the end of the day, any mechanical part can fail no matter who builds them or tunes them. If this hobby was cheap we'd all be driving 8 second trucks.


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When I got my trans from rpm they told me stock line pressure and remove torque management. Either way I had pcmofnc do the tune on it anyway because I have no idea when it comes to tuning.

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This is in no disrespect to anybody, but I've never understood why people spend tens of thousands of dollars on a build and then get to the tuning and basically say...how hard can it be, I'll give it a try. There's a reason why the tuner is typically the most important person in a shop...and why many places succeed or fail based on who that person is. There are definitely people out there that have been successful with self tuning and typically have spent many many hours adjusting and readjusting their own work. To me personally, I wouldn't want to use my own truck as a guinea pig, but I understand that at times it's the only option. At the end of the day, any mechanical part can fail no matter who builds them or tunes them. If this hobby was cheap we'd all be driving 8 second trucks.


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While I totally agree with u, some people just want to do stuff themselves, and I can understand that as well.
 
Discussion starter · #116 ·
Getting ready to do a few minor upgrades to the 4L60E (*cough*I know, I know*cough*) going in our LS1 station wagon. Anyway, while reading up on installing the parts and watching a great 4L60E rebuild video series on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXqufnwB1bb0QKnP2Owo3nA) I came across this nugget which might explain why there are so many 3/4 failures in these transmissions (starting at post 15):

Performance 4L60E build thread - LS1TECH

Seems that rebuilds just might have some nasty input drum leaks that aren't addressed or repaired properly.

Plus, this is also an interesting issue that is often overlooked (originally covered in the Transmission Bench series):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hQetytglLo

Now I am really tempted to yank this fucking thing and see if either of these are the culprit.
 
I just found out my old truck with a Phoenix (basically their level 5) just blew up the rear planetary. It never missed a beat when I had it but the trans maybe had 25k on it before it went. So as good as the rebuild is and as reputable as the vendor is, there is an inherent problem with these transmissions that can't be overcome no matter how well built they are imo. I've been lucky with my current truck on a stock trans but I rarely get the truck over 1400rpm because I'm scared shitless it'll let loose. When it goes I won't be going with any variation of a 4l60.
 
I beat the living shit out of my level 7 from FLT. The only problem I had out of it was all the flex plates I broke ended up hurting the trans.

That said FLT built an 80 that I hope I won't have to worry about. If it breaks it will be something I did because I'm not going to pussy foot it. I build shit to drive:2cents:
 
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Totally get it, gents. I am just looking for the root cause of my transmissions failure. But, if it was for the sake of a worn case part or a used drum (and each could be properly diagnosed and replaced) as a cost-saving measure I would be pissed.

Probably should just dump this 60e and run.
 
Say it again, Transmission is a wear item when you start modding these trucks. Just get used to refresh once a year so you can hopefully keep expensive hard parts from breaking. Or move up to a 4l80 to increase your time between service intervals depending on pwr level.

Sooner you accept it, quicker you can move on to other more pressing issues like where to mount your 90mm s500 turbo.

This is also why i chose a local shop for trans service, so its not like trying to maintain a relationship with a long distance booty call.
 
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