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#1 · (Edited)
Ok Guys I took my mods to the track for the first time, Ok first off the bolt on guys getting in the sub 13's have nothing in there trucks when they are running, I mean they take out everything, even the front passenger seat.

Ok My mods are extensive, Me and Balisstik SS have the same mods except I have Cam and Heads, and Catless Headers.

Ok So here is how it went out of the whole, the trucks were evenly matched

My 60 ft was 1.87 at the best
on that same run my Trap speed was 102.99 and I ran a 13.11 (Temp 68 Degrees / 660ft above Sea Level)

I lined up against BalistikSS and out of the hole we were close, I give him the benefit of the doubt on the jump because it was my first time, I also had all of my interior trim in the truck, But once he hit second gear his truck pulled at least 2 trucks on me. So something is not dead right for my tune. PLEASE HELP! I thought with my dyno numbers and my $14k worth of mods i should run 12.6 with my eyes closed. I think my trap speed should have been above 106MPH

Any info is appreciated
 
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#3 ·
Yes Sir Vig 3400, and here is more info for the time of the run

Density Altitude 1578 feet
Absolute Pressure 29.243 inches Hg
Relative Density 95.46 %
 
#5 ·
Maybe my calc is wrong but your DA was about 2400 when I figure it. Corrected to about 12.74 at 105.9.

Gonna look at it on Alvins cool calculator he posted.


You did not say. What are you doing for intake? Through the wheel well?
My intake is a CAI Vector, using the stock box, and there IAF relocator, Balisstik has a sick setup, I dont have time to set that up, maybe i should offer up some cash and have him help me. Well he was running 12.8 to my 13.1, I should be running at least what he was in the temps
 
#6 ·
Well I guess it depends on soak and everything but running a Vector intake and HSRK it takes me 3/4 of a track to get substantial timing back when I am soaked.

My testing with the HRSK proved that it did nothing :(

You can bet that Balisstick is getting good air and fast and even if he is soaked he is his timing back faster.

Its amazing how these trucks will run a couple degrees over ambient when you start them cold, but stop them, let them soak and its hard to get them to cool down.

The stock airbox SUCKS. There is little cold air flow. They suck as much underhood air as they do cold air through that cheesy headlight opening.
 
#8 ·
I honestly have no idea. Did you log your IATs?

Think about how much timing a soaked truck pulls. That can be a lot on a "typical tune"

Open up a DA calculator and run it with 68 degree air like you had. Assume your IATs were 100 degrees. Add that number and see how many tenths your corrected changes.

I am sure that big ass intake he is running sucking AAT is cooling down a lot faster than you are.

I am not saying that is all of it, but I know if I sit in the staging lane and soak I can make a run and go around without slowing down and run again and pick up a couple tenths at times.

As soon as I can find someone that can weld the plastic on the washer tank, I will have a tube going through it !
 
#10 ·
I dont know for sure on the TM what is worth but I know its a lot. I am pretty sure Skiba removes most if not all of that. Ask him.

This is a scan of my truck with a canned tune. 50% TM according to Vector. Not sure what the deal was but I have seen stock tunes with less.....

Anyway, the truck pulls huge timing at a dig. Then at each shift. (see arrows).

That is a lot of timing !
 
#15 · (Edited)
Why would you think its locked?

There is an article on HPtuners site about removing TM.

Here is a screenshot of my original ADM tune which was supposed to have 50% TM.

Note its zero

VECTOR LOCKS THERE TUNE, Chris told me it has Full TQ Management ON. If someone local to chicago can help me remove it, I would be more than glad to remburse them for there time
 
#16 ·
All i dropped was the 3 seats and the spare, i didnt take out the interior trim. That would be like door panels and things like that. The weight difference between my truck and yours was only 3 seats worth (you also dropped the spare) Something is way off, i expected you would have been close to 11's, or low 12's. Maybe in the tune? Wrong combo of parts? anyone have any ideas? I would love to see his truck in the low 12's. Im also expecting mine to beat my 12.8 when the tune is done. I went 12.84@104.96 60ft-1.78
 
#21 · (Edited)
Balistikss its beyond me. It would require one of the tuners to do it. They have special stuff for writing OS, etc. I dont think there is anyway the average guy with a PC based tuning program can do it. I know you can send the modules back to Vector and they will put them back to stock and unlock them. Almost easier to buy new cores :)

Nipeater, are you sure you want to do this? Consider the fact that you have to get them unlocked and then pay a tuner to redo them. They need to take into consideration all your mods, etc when doing it. You will have to go backwards for awhile.

Balistikss, is running more agressive thats for sure. I can guess this knowing how Skiba tunes.

TM does make a difference and Skiba will attest to that. But do you really want to take all of it out?

With your mods, I think you really need HPtuners. Unless you want to send your modules back and forth to get it tweaked. Would make more sense to pay Alvin to make mods for you and send you the updates via email for you do download. You could give him feedback in the form of HPtuner logs.
 
#22 ·
Its Vectors Cutom Dyno Tune. They will change my tune for free I believe, they have my current tune stored somewhere, In all honesty i would like the truck to be road tuned. IE TQ management taken off while driving the truck, so nothing crazy happens
 
#27 ·
Good Idea, I have spent so much to this point. I dont think they can get me in till August sometime. The issue is want a 12.5 truck tuned well, which shouldnt be an issue with my mods. I also dont know how they can tune it if mine is locked
 
#29 ·
The weight difference between you and BalistikSS and/or the shift TM definitely doesn't make up for the fact that you are (according to the "dyno") probably making 60-100RWHP more than BalistikSS. Since this is a built large CI motor done by Vector (Vector right?), I would let them fix it because something appears to be way off. I was expecting BalistikSS to call me and tell me that you had an off day and only ran 12.5's @ 108+mph. When I heard you ran 13.x's @ 103mph, my immediate response was that something has to be way way off. See what Chris says... there is no way a bolton truck like BalistikSS's should of ran 3/10's quicker and 2mph faster... even with my "aggressive" tune.

Hopefully I'll be able to take a look at the EFILive log tonight and see what's going on. Otherwise it's all just guessing...

Good luck and let me know if I can help in any way.

rrrmacbe - How's it going? :cheers1: So you think my tuning is aggressive? :dunno: Nah... I've seen way more agreesive timing tables, etc then what I use.
 
#30 ·
The weight difference between you and BalistikSS and/or the shift TM definitely doesn't make up for the fact that you are (according to the "dyno") probably making 60-100RWHP more than BalistikSS. Since this is a built large CI motor done by Vector (Vector right?), I would let them fix it because something appears to be way off. I was expecting BalistikSS to call me and tell me that you had an off day and only ran 12.5's @ 108+mph. When I heard you ran 13.x's @ 103mph, my immediate response was that something has to be way way off. See what Chris says... there is no way a bolton truck like BalistikSS's should of ran 3/10's quicker and 2mph faster... even with my "aggressive" tune.

Hopefully I'll be able to take a look at the EFILive log tonight and see what's going on. Otherwise it's all just guessing...

Good luck and let me know if I can help in any way.

rrrmacbe - How's it going? :cheers1: So you think my tuning is aggressive? :dunno: Nah... I've seen way more agreesive timing tables, etc then what I use.

Hi John, :cheers1:

I did not mean it in a bad way. You just dont leave anything on the table. You tune, retune and do it again.

I KNOW how you are :) Consider it a compliment. Although I think you are nuts when you are thinking abouts stripping AC out of a truck!! haha

You have Balistikss's truck rocken, thats for sure.
 
#38 ·
Well he is going to have to get tune unlocked first unless he gets another set of modules.

For some reason I thought he lost his vector tune when all this went down. My mistake. So a lot of what I have said above was thinking he was self tuning.


At this level of tune, I really think his first purchase should be HPtuners or at minimum something to scan with. Without it, he is grasping at straws. Even a Dashhawk would be nice to have.
 
#39 · (Edited)
GOT A DASHHAWK:biggrin2:, It seems as though Kirk is going to help me, he is coming to Chicago and will help me tune my truck, now the issue is what to change in the tune. I appreciate Kirk doing this for me, in the end I am not mad just dissapointed, my disappointment wasnt even with Kirk, it was with Chris and I think me and Kirk are going to get everything Ironed out. He is a good guy.
 
#44 ·
Anyone know what AAT sensors are what?

I notice the climate control reads one thing for ambient and PID for ambient reads something else.

I know one ambient sensor is behind the grill, drivers side above the radiator. But there must be another one. Just trying to figure out which is which.
 
#45 ·
Nip- I only have the spare removed along with the jack. I Know what u are going through, with only boltons i ran my best of 12.633(1.75 60'), with the heads and cam(420rwhp) i still only manage a 12.66(1.77 60') both in +DA, with a plug popping off. I just hope u can get this resolved.
 
#46 ·
Take your dyno #'s from before and after heads, cam, put them into excel and see what the difference is between 4600rpm - 6000rpm (if you have a stall like a Vig 3200/3400). You may be surprised.

nip - Good talking to you tonight. Good luck with Vector and hope to see you in the 11's soon... or at least 108mph+. We'll talk again soon.
 
#49 ·
Just take the dyno #'s and put them into an excel sheet.

Nip - The logs are as follows. When you stalled the truck on launch, you would have lots of KR (as I told you happened commonly on the tbss's). But it goes away immediately on launch. You have no KR the rest of the run. You also have no TM or shiftmanagement on the runs (there is no timing being pulled between shifts). Your shifts appear to be nice and quick. The timing maxes out at about 19 degrees and only runs 18 to 19 degree's throughout the entire run. WOT Ltrims are high at 12%, commanded AFR appears to be in the high 11's to low 12's. However, O2's are in the mid .800mv to high .800 mv which usually doesn't indicate the rich condition that appears to be commanded. However, O2's aren't a good AFR indicator especially on header equipped cars. IAT's were in the high 80's, ECT's over 200.
 
#53 ·
I posted this above:
"You also have no TM or shiftmanagement on the runs (there is no timing being pulled between shifts). "

Meaning that it appears that TM has been fully removed.

Yes, I agree, there appears to be quite a bit of potential.

nip - only other thing I noticed is that the injector ms is high but to be expected with that combo. I'll calc the DC later but it'll probably be on the high end for stock injectors.
 
#51 ·
Speed (RPM) Torque (FT-LBS) HP (HP)
3300 0.00 0.00
3400 0.00 0.00
3500 0.00 0.00
3600 0.00 0.00
3700 348.64 245.88
3800 359.95 260.88
3900 370.41 275.23
4000 378.29 288.13
4100 382.88 298.7
4200 391.54 314.27
4300 400.10 327.48
4400 405.75 340.44
4500 413.97 354.27
4600 418.33 366.76
4700 421.30 376.64
4800 420.38 383.95
4900 419.10 390.77
5000 415.71 396.38
5100 414.13 401.88
5200 411.17 407.55
5300 409.61 413.48
5400 406.32 418.07
5500 401.18 419.76
5600 396.67 423.12
5700 392.40 426.27
5800 387.45 427.34
5900 382.42 429.26
6000 377.42 431.22
6100 372.78 433.19
6200 366.44 433.07
6300 359.82 431.96
6400 351.67 428.98
6500 342.84 424.3
6600 335.05 421.1
6700 326.50 416.09
6800 318.52 411.43
6900 0.00 0.00
7000 0.00 0.00
 
#68 ·
Skiba- Have u moved the battery to the rear? U need to get the "ss" hood aswell since its lighter than factory.Remove BOTH headlights. Remove front sway bar, smaller tires up front(with some low profile tires) and ur Dr's in the rear. looking at 4200??
 
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