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Old Sep-24-11, 07:41 AM   #1
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After Forcefed brought up the 06 and 07-09 difference in filters yesterday, PF46 v PF48, I was doing a little looking around and came up with a new for 2011, PF63 (GM 89017525). The PF63 is now being used in place of the PF48 in some applications, specifically the Traverse/Acadia and CTS. On the surface, the only difference appears to be the height. The PF63 is an inch longer. HOWEVER...I've found varying degrees of internal differences across cross referencing some other brands. The most significant difference on the surface being the relief valve settings.

Here's a pic of the height difference between them.


Here are the specs that were listed on another site:

The relief valve settings are different.
PH63: 9-15 psi
PF48: 9-12 psi

The only other difference is the height.
PF63: 4.06 inches
PF48: 3.33 inches

PF63
Product Type Full-Flow Lube Spin-on
Anti-Drain Valve YES
Gasket I.D. 2.45"
Gasket O.D. 2.76"
Gasket Usage Base
Product Height 4.06"
Product I.D. 22mmx1.5mm Th'd
Product O.D. 2.98"
Relief Valve Setting PSI 9-15

PF48
Product Type Full-Flow Lube Spin-on
Anti-Drain Valve YES
Gasket I.D. 2.45"
Gasket O.D. 2.76"
Gasket Thickness .19"
Gasket Usage Base
Product Height 3.33"
Product I.D. 22mmx1.5mm Th'd
Product O.D. 3"
Relief Valve Setting PSI 9-12

I run K&N filters (HP-1017) so I looked up what they have listed, but I had to cross the Delco to a Fram and then to a K&N. The relief valve settings are identical on the K&N's, along with many of the other specs with the exception of the height. Again, more research is going to be needed as there could be some other internal, media, filtration, etc, etc, differences that may not allow the longer PF63 and it's cross referenced filters to be used, but this may at least give some of you a lead on a longer filter for your 07 and up. Maybe one of our GM Parts guys (ahem...Greg) can verify some of the information here and see if we can use this filter. Honestly, I don't even know if it will clear the crossmember below the filter right now, I'd have to go look.

Part HP-2011 Product Specifications
Product Style: Oil Filters
Height: 4.78 in (121 mm)
Outside Diameter: 3.01 in (76 mm)
Thread Inside Diameter: M22 x 1.5 Special Thread
PSI Relief Valve: 11-17
Anti Drain Back Valve: Yes
Style: Canister
Removal Nut: Yes
Gasket Material: Nitrile Rubber
Filter Material: High Flow Premium Media
Bypass Valve: Yes
Weight: 0.9 lb (0.41 kg)
Product Box Length: 3.13 in (79 mm)
Product Box Width: 3.13 in (79 mm)
Product Box Height: 5.75 in (146 mm)


Compared to filter I normally run:

Part HP-1017 Product Specifications
Product Style: Oil Filters
Height: 3.75 in (95 mm)
Outside Diameter: 3 in (76 mm)
Thread Inside Diameter: M22x1.5
Thread Number: 1.5
PSI Relief Valve: 11-17
Anti Drain Back Valve: Yes
Style: Canister
Removal Nut: Yes
Gasket Material: Nitrile Rubber
Filter Material: High Flow Premium Media
Bypass Valve: Yes
This Product Includes: 26-30930 Gasket
Weight: 0.79 lb (0.36 kg)
Product Box Length: 3.16 in (80 mm)
Product Box Width: 3.16 in (80 mm)
Product Box Height: 4 in (102 mm)

Disclaimer: I'm just gathering some info in the event that this might work, I'm not telling you to go out and throw one on your truck. I assume no responsibility for the above information being correct as it was pulled from various sites on the web, I'm just putting it in one place so you can make your own decision and do your own research.
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Old Sep-24-11, 07:45 AM   #2
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If its like my truck...Id never be able to get that filter in with the crossmember below the oil pan.
Its a tight fit already.
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If its like my truck...Id never be able to get that filter in with the crossmember below the oil pan.
Its a tight fit already.
That's what I was kind of worried about without even looking. Thanks for confirming.
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It might go....But It would be tight.
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what if you get Joe's cross member will it fit then? i ran the larger filter on denali it would be great to run a bigger on these pigs
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Curiosity got the best of me so I went into the garage to look...got some pics of the filter on my '09. Might be a struggle to get the longer one in there, especially if you pre-fill filters. From the nut on the bottom of my K&N to the cross member I have about 1 5/8". From the bottom of the actual canister to the cross member I get 2". Pics below.

Nut to cross member:


Canister to cross member:
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It should definitely fit then, since we're only talking about an additional 1/4" beyond the nut on the K & N oilf filter...
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Theere would be plenty of those around if Billy Finished what he started.
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c6 oil pan with joes crossmember you can do it.
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c6 pan with no crossmembers... NOT happening.. lol.
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I changed the oil in both SS's today and I really don't think I would have been able to get a longer filter in there with the stock cross member. Even with the normal length filter it takes a little finesse to get it position, so any additional length might be a deal breaker. I did not try to use the longer filter, I just don't think it will fit after today. Sorry if I got anyone's hopes up.
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If that PF63 is the same length as a PF61 it will fit. On my Avalanche I upgraded to the PF61 and thought I would try it on the SS it fit and all but just wrong thread size by a cunt hair and it wasn't bad to get it in there a little more snug but not like you had to get a bunch of tools out and rework the thing.
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If that PF63 is the same length as a PF61 it will fit. On my Avalanche I upgraded to the PF61 and thought I would try it on the SS it fit and all but just wrong thread size by a cunt hair and it wasn't bad to get it in there a little more snug but not like you had to get a bunch of tools out and rework the thing.
PF61 is 3/4" shorter than a PF63.
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Are the tests on the HP filters showing good results & build quality so far? I havent looked into the threads on them yet. I buy a few of them when they go on sale.
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PF61 is 3/4" shorter than a PF63.
Then I would have to say negative ghost rider on the question of it fitting.
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I definitely fits.... Not even a squeeze... You go in diagonally and whalla..

I used i a NAPA 7045 Gold (wix) filter which is the equivalent (if not better than) PF63...

I figured I'd use this, since I haven't had the money to put on the modified AWD oilpan, and side oiler kit... I just paid 7K for azek (like trex) decking, which I'm installing in place of my wood decking... Also I just paid 6K for my daughter's braces, and 3K on my wife's minivan for a head gasket job, and complete A/C R&R (compressor, condensor, etc..) needless to say funds aren't there for the TBSS...






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went for a ride, and noticed that the wix flows a decent amount more than the Purolator Premium one does...

At idle the P1 (PF48) was 36 PSI oil Pressure, now with the Napa gold (7045) it's 40 PSI...
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Changed my oil today as well. Before change with the k&n my oil psi was 34-36 at idle. After change and the big wix filter I'm closer to 40 psi. After getting it up to temp id say the psi is the same. Plenty of room for the bigger filter. Slid right in like it belongs there.


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