Calling out ALL C.A.I. Manufactures

[TWO-TONS-OF-FUN]

thats right...

its time to finally put it all to rest...

i would like to do a shootout of ALL the c.a.i. available for these trucks...



IEATSRT8-- the standard, and the X intake...
Jettstream--stage 1 and stage 3
K&N-- i already have on the truck
Volant--what ever you have for a tbss
ADM-- send it to me...
bolt on speed-- send me what you got scott
airraid--if someone wants to send me one go for it...
vector--if someone has one to spare for a few days... ship it...

i am also in need of a stock setup to put on for a baseline.


also...

if anyone has a custom deal they have made, that shows good results and wants in on this.. let me know...

This will be a SAME DAY shootout...

there will be a baseline made, and the da taken note of, along with track temp, engine temp, and iat temps

all intakes will get a 15-25 minute cool down period made between runs.

ALL results will be posted here to put all the bullshit to rest.

this will all be done with a STOCK tune...

and with a current tune i have been running in my truck(tune details will NOT be released)

for other tune related questions, contact Brandon at FAST motorsports...



THE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT...... THIS HAS NEEDED TO BE DONE FOR A LOOOONG TIME NOW....


all manufactures may contact me through pm's.

any HSRK or iat relocation items must be supplied with your intake system and will be run.

this will be done fare and square with no sides or favorites taken, all results good or bad will be posted for the world to see, along with the weather conditions at the time...( i will be doing this as soon as i have all systems in hand)

lets keep this a clean discussion, with NO bashing ,he said she said, or his idea is a copy.

NO BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!












I AM IN NO WAY,SHAPE,OR FORM. AFFILIATED WITH FAST MOTORSPORTS. MY THOUGHTS, ACTIONS, AND FINDINGS WITH THIS ARE NOT TO BE CONSIDERED AN ENDORSEMENT FOR ANY COMPANY, VENDOR, OR MANUFACTURER. AGAIN, I AM NOT EMPLOYED, NOR DO I WORK FOR FAST MOTORSPORTS. I AM A GOOD FRIEND OF BRANDON, THAT IS ALL....

[lt1z]

Don't forget about Volant.....


Also running the intakes on the stock tune will only prove which one leans things out to the most optimal AFR.

[TWO-TONS-OF-FUN]

Also running the intakes on the stock tune will only prove which one leans things out to the most optimal AFR.

lol i guess....

[TrailLaser]

Your missing the ADM version as well..

[Cane Corso]

Also missing AirRaid

[Warped]

wasn't this done already?

[07SS]

I'm gonna end the maggie vs. Procharger debate this way also. HOB and Leftcoast, send me the blowers!

[chaboy]

If I go to Lowes and buy parts and make one will you add me to it

[Mikey'ss]

Yeah i'd like to see a stock tune comparison as well. Please...

[whyme]

i think i still have my stocker. let me know

[Warwagon]

If you are going to the track and after just the fastest number - leave the air filter off. Otherwise the comparison needs to include the filtering ability of the filter as well, like is it just a gravel screen or does it really take the dirt out of the intake air?

So Jettstream--stage 1 and stage 3 will give you a nightmare with the number of filter options available...

[jetttstream]

I think IAT-R should be left out of the equation.

Otherwise ill send you one that reads 20*F colder than stock.

Thoughts?

Oh and don't forget "Stage 2" and "Stage 4"

No joke! Ha.

[ieatsrt8]

I will bring the standard intake and "X" Intake too Nationals this year. I think that would be the best possible opportunity to put the B.S. to rest. It will be a warmer day and there will be more than enough folks there to verify the results. :2cents:

[ti28]

Greg, I have my stock set up here at the shop. Also don't forget Vector, which I have and you can borrow as well.

[Jeff1842]

Dont forget about Vector Motorsports CAI.

[BlKGraniteSS]

I have the standard ieatsrt8 intake laying in the garage you can use.

[muscleshop]

problem is, trying to do this on one truck one right after another (even with allowed cool down time)...

The time it would take to change all the intakes in and out, test each one and log the results, etc.....atmospheric changes are more than probable, which will affect the results.

There are also other variables involved. You using the stock box? Using the supplied containment if any? Using the cold air box (that Joe mentioned)? Using the relocation kits? and on, and on, and on.

A works best. But if you do W, then B works best. However, if you do L then C works best. Then, if you live below 38 degrees latitude D works best as long as you do J and have X.

This whole thing is RIDICULOUS.

[devilsown]

With my setup i made 12hp "and also went from 11:1 to 10:1 af" with no tune adjustments going from a kn intake system, to a custom 4" intake. 90 deg rubber below, and 2 22deg 6" long spectra bends. I personal think the kn setup are pretty restrictive once you get around 500hp. But i think on something low modded my intake might loose hp.

[TWO-TONS-OF-FUN]

guys,

i really dont care who thinks what is rediculous or not...


this needs to be done so people can have answers..

as far as the iat relocation, i understand what you are saying, im just trying to make the field as even as possible...

if you have anything you would want to send me thats cool, im all for it, BUT I WILL NOT BE CUTTING UP MY TRUCK TO MAKE ANYTHING WORK, if your set up involves cutting, consider yourself not invited to this party...


i have a track rental coming up on the 2nd of october, and will have the track from 9am to 11pm... i have ample time and resources to do this test.


i would appreciate a stock airbox, and filter sent to me, as well as the standard srt8 intake as well seeing as they are local...

IF YOU ONLY CAME HERE TO BULLSHIT, GO ELSEWHERE AND STAND ON YOUR SOAP BOX YOUR OPINION IS NOT NEEDED......


Mike you have my number and address, chris you also know how to get ahold of me.

id really like to see this happen, i will be taking a picture of each system installed also to show quality, and fitment....

o.p edited...

[Warwagon]

IF YOU ONLY CAME HERE TO BULLSHIT, GO ELSEWHERE AND STAND ON YOUR SOAP BOX YOUR OPINION IS NOT NEEDED......



This doesn't help. Ease up a little or your objectiveness may be called into question.

[muscleshop]

Sounds like you have plenty of time for the changing, logging, etc....

Won't the difference in ambient temperatures affect the outcomes, making them irrelevant? One tested at 10am vs. one tested around 5pm.?? Not trying to be a smartass (imagine that..lol)... I'm asking as someone that doesn't know the answer.

[TWO-TONS-OF-FUN]

the da at the time of the baseline run will be used to correct for every other run thereafter...

as far as me cooling down... thats fine, i just DO NOT want any bullshit or drama dragged into this thread...

[snowvette]

I have a stock cai and Vector Gen 1 and 2.
LMK.

[muscleshop]

i just DO NOT want any bullshit or drama dragged into this thread...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-EZf56AfYc

[06ssawd]

I would really like to see this. I havent had any issues with my K&N but i am really impressed with the IEATSRT X intake. I just dont know if i want to spend another 300 on an intake and then another tune... unless this test shows a good gain.

[TWO-TONS-OF-FUN]

so far i have...

all of jettstreams intakes.

a k& n

tim i need your stocker

snow ill use your vector intakes...



we are getting there people.. thanks

[2sslow]

I personally would like to see this happen BUT

you really have no right telling people they cant have an opinion, and want the BS left out.

One thing i would like to mention is that having every single intake that is made for the SS put side by side with others may RAISE OR LOWER what people buy. If it turns out that the IEATSRT8 intake isn't as good as INTAKE "B" then Ieat will lose sales. (NOT SAYING THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN, Just saying IT COULD)

why would all the intake makers put it to the test when it might hurt their sales.

just my 2 cents.

AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS HAPPEN, just saying that it might NOT BECAUSE of those reasons.

[black08ss]

:popcorn3:....this is gonna be good

[2sslow]

seeing that you're getting the intakes from other members and not just from the manufactures this might happen. I look forward to seeing the results.

I own a K&N intake right now and might change it to the intake that has the highest HP increase.

good luck with the tests :coolthumb:

[TWO-TONS-OF-FUN]

[QUOTE=2sslow;590799]I personally would like to see this happen BUT

you really have no right telling people they cant have an opinion, and want the BS left out.

QUOTE]


my reason of telling people that is only based on the drama that has been druged up in the past...

i INCOURAGE any imput i can get... as long as it is not a he said she said, or the ages old idea of who designed what....

im not telling people not to comment, im just telling them not to bring any of the b.s. drama in here....

hopefully this clarify's what i meant earlier....

[ieatsrt8]

A couple thoughts:

A stock tune on the "X" intake will not suffice. The fuel trims will be way off and the truck will actually run slower with the "X" Intake on. That is why i stated a tune is required. Majority of the hp benefits of a CAI are seen with a tune adjustment. I have seen that first hand on the dyno while testing / comparing both of our intakes. When Nick came out to Fast Motorsports they spent 3 hours road tuning the truck. I would think that every single intake will need a custom road tune to put each on a level playing field prior to a track pass. Also fall is nearly here in Chicago therefore heatsoak and timing being pulled due to high IAT's will not be an issue. Without a proper dialed in tune for each intake all you will have is a nice under hood ornament. I think to do this properly it needs to be done @ Nationals in front of all that attend. The weather will be substantially warmer and heatsoak will be present. That will show the benefits or negatives of each individual cold air intake. I am not against a shootout or worried about sales declining. I know what my intakes are capable of after 3 years & 700 plus customers. :biggrin2:

[ssprince]

The Nats sounds like a good idea!

[Hard_oNe]

I know what my intakes are capable of after 3 years & 700 plus customers. :biggrin2:

Wow, that some nice pocket change you collected over the years.

700 (customers) x $200 (average) = $140,000

$140,000 * 50% (Cost of goods sold) = $70,000

$70,000 / 3 years = $23,000 per year profit.

Hmmm. Why don't you just sent a set for the shits & giggles to support the community?

Research is the bases of finding the good and the bad to prove a specific theory. This is a real world test of a member buying a CAI and running their TBSS with it - plain and simple.

The outcomes may prove the point of a CAI needs a tune or not.

:popcorn3:

[ieatsrt8]

Wow, that some nice pocket change you collected over the years.

700 (customers) x $200 (average) = $140,000

$140,000 * 50% (Cost of goods sold) = $70,000

$70,000 / 3 years = $23,000 per year profit.

Hmmm. Why don't you just sent a set for the shits & giggles to support the community?

Research is the bases of finding the good and the bad to prove a specific theory. This is a real world test of a member buying a CAI and running their TBSS with it - plain and simple.

The outcomes may prove the point of a CAI needs a tune or not.

:popcorn3:

I started this out as a HOBBY to help out other members because there wasn't a cold air intake "in stock" to purchase at the time. I've done all the necessary research / dyno testing on both of my intakes. A performance tune is needed to unleash the FULL potential of any intake. A true cold air intake is by far the best option for this vehicle whether its directly behind the headlight or sitting in the fender. Any of the four intakes that utilize the stock air box (standard ieatsrt8, jetttstream stage 3, vector gen 2, adm) will all pull in roughly the same horsepower and same track times. It boils down to fitment, quality of parts used, ease of tuning, filter, price point, vendor reputation, customer feedback... An intake that is an open air element (k&n, Air Raid) will pull in hot engine bay air and thus raise your IAT's and defeat the concept of a "cold air intake." If you have a K&N intake use the stock air box and problem solved.

I will gladly bring both of my intakes to Nationals and raffle them off to members like I have done in past years.

[lt1z]

This shootout wont be worth anything unless you can control the variables. It doest sound like you have all of your bases covered on that front. You also may damage your engine attempting to run some of these intakes with a stock tune.

[JAY4SPEED]

This shootout wont be worth anything unless you can control the variables. It doest sound like you have all of your bases covered on that front. You also may damage your engine attempting to run some of these intakes with a stock tune.

I don't think it would be out of the question to use a stock tune but correct the MAF scaling to work with the various intakes to get to a common WOT AFR between all the intakes to keep the engine safe. Most of the power in tunes comes from the timing anyway so leaving timing alone and just scaling the MAF is about an even of a playing field you're going to get. In other words, leave timing, torque reduction, shift tables, etc alone. You can't control variables like weather changing and traction conditions though.

[MarylandSpeed]

Intakes are like shoes...they all do basically the same thing..it is a matter of what style you want. There is more difference in the margin of error on a dyno, or driver/weather variance than their is between most intakes.

[stillrollin]

I wouldn't mind seeing Slowhite's intake compete in this shootout, but I suspicion his tune has as much to do with his good times as anything.

[JAY4SPEED]

Intakes are like shoes...they all do basically the same thing..it is a matter of what style you want. There is more difference in the margin of error on a dyno, or driver/weather variance than their is between most intakes.

Agreed, I think from stock to an aftermarket kit there will be a very slight difference. But between the kits, the difference would be less than the margin of error from ambient conditions (excluding true cold air kits pulling cold air in from outside).

[unfnny1]

Why not just get all the intakes together from the manufacturer on a STOCK vehicle with a new OBD already tuned for that particular intake? No extra bells or whistles just a tune to adjust for the CAI, a stock SS and a track. I doubt there'd be a problem getting people together to volunteer to put them on their truck and make a few passes.

Or bench them and put a vacuum pressure monitor on em.

Just an Idea.

[M T pockets]

Can i add the "jj INTAKE" to the list. Mine cost me 125 to build, lol.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/ugotmale2day/DSCN2783.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/ugotmale2day/DSCN2744.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/ugotmale2day/DSCN2667.jpg

[muscleshop]

Damnit.... while JJ was gone, we should have changed the site url.

He would have been so lost & depressed, maybe he would have ended his own life.

[M T pockets]

lol@Shawn Brees haha!!!

[SLOWHITE]

I wouldn't mind seeing Slowhite's intake compete in this shootout, but I suspicion his tune has as much to do with his good times as anything.

Thanks Paul, but I have the same out of the box Vector tune as Charles did (BigmanSS). I did "advise" him on his intake though, and he is only a few thousands behind me with about the same mods (13.21). But he sold his truck. I do know my intake works about .3 better than a certion intake though.

Anyway, maybe I'll try to make it on October 2 and throw my intake in the ring.

[jetttstream]

I still feel intakes are just as a performance mod as an appearance mod on these trucks.

Hence the whole 'Stage 1' intake that is just a change from the MAF to the TB. All of the appearance and looks...and some of the sound to boot!

And maybe I'm calling out people who are using two-tone silicone :dunno:

One thing I can vouch for is I have been using the same mfr from the beginning. I don't buy up cheap silicone just to piece my kits together.

Not saying anyone does---but I can prove that I don't...can they? hmmm :kissass:

----and just in case you don't get my point. Think of the look of the intake similar to the sound of our exhaust. We all know that exhausts don't significantly increase hp...but they sure SOUND good. Same thing with intakes. Pop the hood..WOW...looking good! :)

My dealer loves my PINK silicone! LOL

[rrmccabe]

I dont think you realize the time this takes to do and the amount samples you need to take.

First of all every intake needs a custom tune for that intake. If you are doing this at the track the DA often changes in the time you can switch intakes and the MINUSCULE difference in intakes becomes a wash.

Not to mention when you change your tune it needs learn time. I ran three sets of modules when testing tunes and went back to stock each time to make sure my baseline didn't move. I also did it over a couple months and did not test tune 1, then tune 2 and then tune 3 and call it good. I literally swapped (learned) modules and intakes each time.

I think it would take months and a lot more testing than you think to accomplish this.

And in the end its way to much work because intakes (the kind that does not go through the fender) are very close.

[M T pockets]

I still think mine is best out there and cheaper, lol.

[262]

I was going to stay out of this for a little while longer but its time I spoke my thoughts.

First this whole correction debate. All these systems are going to be run on a MASS AIR system. So what does that mean? Means no matter the weather conditions the computer will be making finite adjustments to the tune to correct for it. Then its just a matter of using a simple DA calculator from there to get it back to baseline type weather. So even if it took all damn day to complete this there will be a level playground as far as that goes.

Second the tune isssue. After talking to quite a few people about how to "play fair" from intake to intake it was decided that a specific tune for each intake would need to be developed. This would have to be done as non-biased as possible. Time will be spent in advance to develop a tune over many days for each intake and files will be saved so that they can be loaded while intakes are swapped. Now I say mention of just adjusting the fuel to correct and leave timing tables stock to be "fair". I do not agree with this at all. I think a tune needs to be developed and tested that gives the best possible gains for each intake and then use that. It will only show that this intake works better than that intake. If this test was being done on different motors then I might agree with that then but its the same vehicle.

I agree with this test being done infront of witnesses. A second thing I added to people I have talked to is this. I will have a datalogger going on each and every pass so people can look at the logs next to the time slip from each intake to show that one tune or certain tunes were not put on the ragged edge compared to another or a set of tunes that were done so safe to skew results.

I agree drama should be left out of this thread. Constructive thoughts and ideas are welcome though.

[rrmccabe]

Then its just a matter of using a simple DA calculator from there to get it back to baseline type weather. So even if it took all damn day to complete this there will be a level playground as far as that goes.

DA calculations are not that accurate. In my opinion :)

I dont think its feasible in a one day test.

[Saladbar]

I still think mine is best out there and cheaper, lol.

Mine is 2 fists and 3 traffic cones better than yours :)

[262]

DA calculations are not that accurate. In my opinion :)

I dont think its feasible in a one day test.

If there is a will there is a way to get it done if needed.

However, I would most like to know why you say they arent accurate?

Then lets say they arent accurate however if that "error" is built into your baseline data wouldnt the same "error" carry thought so every result is off equal amounts which then in turn would mean they are all corrected back the same baseline?

[rrmccabe]

If there is a will there is a way to get it done if needed.

However, I would most like to know why you say they arent accurate?

Then lets say they arent accurate however if that "error" is built into your baseline data wouldnt the same "error" carry thought so every result is off equal amounts which then in turn would mean they are all corrected back the same baseline?

I agree it could be done, but I think it would come back to requiring a lot of time which would make it impossible to keep "witnesses" involved or at least the same witnesses.

As I said when I tested tunes I learned a few things. This happened over several months. I had 3 sets of ECM/TCM combos that had been run and trims had adjusted to each setup. I would swap intakes, tunes and test 3 times each with three tunes.

I started test with a stock tune and intake (efan support was added) made my test and finished with a stock tune. So had a baseline on both ends. I did DA calcs with exact elevation using data history from weather underground as I assumed it better than anything I had.

Once again this happened over several months. If you looked at my corrected baseline over that time it looked like a yo-yo. Some days I had to just throw out !

As I have always said a good intake compliments a tune. I am sure you agree. 98% of the magic is in the tune and not the intake.

The things that make a good intake in my opinion are the ability to keep heat out and get cool air in, customer service, quality of the build, and flow. Probably in that order too.

I have had 4 intakes on this truck excluding the stock one. I STILL contend that the best thing to strive for is getting the cool air to the intake and not so much the intake .

[M T pockets]

Keep drama out of this site??? Come on thats impossible, hell just starting a thread about CAIs is looking for trouble. Thats like starting a thread on maggies and turbos.


Saladbar send me your traffic cones i will test em out!

[ieatsrt8]

Saladbar send me your traffic cones i will test em out!

I wouldn't tempt him, You might find a package in the mail next week containing a purple ribbed vibrating traffic cone. Here is your chance to finally tell everybody what we already know...

[muscleshop]

Here is your chance to finally tell everybody what we already know...

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2007/10/05oct2-captain-obvious.jpghttp://www.treygarrison.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/captobvious-738633-747223.jpg

[M T pockets]

i love hijacking threads especially this one.

[Saladbar]

:muahaha:Keep drama out of this site??? Come on thats impossible, hell just starting a thread about CAIs is looking for trouble. Thats like starting a thread on maggies and turbos.


Saladbar send me your traffic cones i will test em out!

no sweat!!! They're edible too. It looks like full size candy corn. Tastes like it too!!!! Ain't nothin like a cone n fist combo after a sweaty day in the orifice.... I mean, office.

[ssprince]

Keep drama out of this site??? Come on thats impossible, hell just starting a thread about CAIs is looking for trouble.
:iamwithstupid::iamwithstupid:There already was a shootout....You can prol just do a shootout with pictures at this point, Then everyone can see which one looks like it will draw more cool air (even a blind rabbit can see that) this will save all the chance for the variables mentioned from track passes.

[ti28]

tim i need your stocker



Just let me know, when you want it.

[ieatsrt8]

And maybe I'm calling out people who are using two-tone silicone :dunno:

One thing I can vouch for is I have been using the same mfr from the beginning. I don't buy up cheap silicone just to piece my kits together.

Not saying anyone does---but I can prove that I don't...can they? hmmm :kissass:



All of our couplers are: 4 Ply Polyester Reinforced Silicone. I have used the same manufactures from the beginning except for switching from the K&N to the S&B filter. I would focus on your intakes and quit attempting to call folks out. Last time I checked my intake is priced lower than yours shipped on my website. :popcorn3:

[TNSS]

im not 100% sure but i thought with some of the intakes you had to run a tune. with the ADM intake it has a new mass air sensor you would have to run some type of tune with it or it would run like crap shouldn't you consider how the company's say the tune needs to be set up with their intake? i dont know a lot about this but thats one problem i see with it.

[jetttstream]

All of our couplers are: 4 Ply Polyester Reinforced Silicone. I have used the same manufactures from the beginning except for switching from the K&N to the S&B filter. I would focus on your intakes and quit attempting to call folks out. Last time I checked my intake is priced lower than yours shipped on my website. :popcorn3:

Wasn't talking about you, but are you feeling guilty?

Anyhow, while on the subject, why does one of your black couplers have orange on the inside? New color scheme?

Is that due to a specific compound you requested during the manufacturing process?

Feel free to PM me to keep drama out of the topic as has been requested.

Oh and as far as pricing how low do you want to go? Let me know.:bum::chair::chair:

-Mike

[M T pockets]

its not about price hell if its a nice product people will spend extra knowing is well worth their money.

[ti28]

Oh and as far as pricing how low do you want to go? Let me know.:bum::chair::chair:

-Mike


The question that comes to mind now with this price war is: "how much could you sell them for?"

[Saladbar]

Wasn't talking about you, but are you feeling guilty?

Anyhow, while on the subject, why does one of your black couplers have orange on the inside? New color scheme?

Is that due to a specific compound you requested during the manufacturing process?

Feel free to PM me to keep drama out of the topic as has been requested.

Oh and as far as pricing how low do you want to go? Let me know.:bum::chair::chair:

-Mike
It's not just orange, it's traffic cone orange. Specially injected with pumpkin nitrous molecules.

And.... IMO it doesn't matter if the colors are different. Does it work? Yes. Similar to buying that cheap ass dryer hose look-a-like shit that you can buy at auto zone. Does it work? Yes. Just looks nasty as fuck. < just don't try it on a blower application.

I think that the turbo and blower manufacturers use 4-ply silicone. That's proof enough for me.

Just my own opinion as my CAI is better and looks prettier than both of y'alls anyway ;) .

[jetttstream]

The question that comes to mind now with this price war is: "how much could you sell them for?"

$1


But shipping is $188.99

[jetttstream]

It's not just orange, it's traffic cone orange. Specially injected with pumpkin nitrous molecules.

And.... IMO it doesn't matter if the colors are different. Does it work? Yes. Similar to buying that cheap ass dryer hose look-a-like shit that you can buy at auto zone. Does it work? Yes. Just looks nasty as fuck. < just don't try it on a blower application.

I think that the turbo and blower manufacturers use 4-ply silicone. That's proof enough for me.

Just my own opinion as my CAI is better and looks prettier than both of y'alls anyway ;) .

I'm gonna call your boss and get you fired. :boff:

[ti28]

$1


But shipping is $188.99

I'm in IL, I'll drive up and pick it up. It'll be cheaper! :biggrin2:

[Saladbar]

I'm gonna call your boss and get you fired. :boff:

Do it!!!! :p


He'll just send you to voicemail :bum:

[MzDoWork]

This thread is not going where it was intended to...if it will work or not is one thing but the vendors for them are arguing again. Isn't this the reason Greg made the thread in the first place? There are a lot of valid points throughout; but seriously all the bickering between vendors? I know who I am buying it from no matter what the results say, but he's still trying to help out other people. Thanks Greg...I know you are still trying to do something helpful at the end of it all

[jetttstream]

I'm in IL, I'll drive up and pick it up. It'll be cheaper! :biggrin2:

Haha.

Here's and FYI for all of you. Chris (of IEATSRT8) and I have met and talked on several occasions and there is no war (price) or call out going on between us.

Any problems we have had are in the PAST.

So, if that confuses anyone, well sorry to disapoint.

And if you think I'm calling him out, I'm not. I didn't start the thread. Anyhow him and I have the best intakes out for these trucks period.

Pick your poison and enjoy. :argue2:

-Mike

[lt1z]

Anyhow him and I have the best intakes out for these trucks period, except for the guys that took initiative to build their own intakes which actually draw cold air.

Pick your poison and enjoy. :argue2:

-Mike


Fixed ;)

[rrmccabe]

Lol

[SLOWHITE]

Gotta love all the drama....and for what?? After all, it's obvious that my SLOWHITE intake is the fastest. Just ask anyone who's ran against me. :rofl:

[MzDoWork]

Gotta love all the drama....and for what?? After all, it's obvious that my SLOWHITE intake is the fastest. Just ask anyone who's ran against me. :rofl:

:rofl: what you think you can just come in here and make my decision harder now? damn you, :D

[M T pockets]

its not how fast you are its how sexy the girl is in your passenger seat! yall r a bunch of fatty chasers anyhow, lol.

[ieatsrt8]

Matt your hilarious! I like your intake and I think you did a fabulous job. The "X" intake draws cold air without relocating the washer tank or cutting a 4.5" hole in the fender! :kissass:

[ieatsrt8]

Gotta love all the drama....and for what?? After all, it's obvious that my SLOWHITE intake is the fastest. Just ask anyone who's ran against me. :rofl:

Line up against Nick again and I can guarantee it will be a much different outcome this time. His previous tune was garbage... Isn't that the tune you currently run? :popcorn3:

[lt1z]

Matt your hilarious! I like your intake and I think you did a fabulous job. The "X" intake draws cold air without relocating the washer tank or cutting a 4.5" hole in the fender! :kissass:

True the X intake is much better than the first design intake or what Jetttstream has to offer IMO. Living in California and because I don't drive mine in the rain I have no need to worry about a washer tank and it's a 4.25" hole. :cheers1: and it's not in the fender.

It is much harder to try and please everyone with an intake you plan to sell. Engineering something for your own specific needs means you only need to worry about one person. I'm loving the IATs I have been seeing, but I also have more $$ in that intake than what you two are offering currently.

[rrmccabe]

Chris, I see the merits of your intake and if I was in the mood to retune your X is the one I would buy.

However I dont see how you can compare it to a "through the fender" type ??? Regardless of how much cutting you do on the headlight and radiator cross mount you are still limited to cool air via the small grill in center of headlight.

I like your design (a lot actually) but I dont see it being in the same category as the ones that remove the tank. I am not saying that as a bad thing because as you know I am still using my tank !

[Saladbar]

Rich... I still need you to make me a sig :coolthumb:

[lt1z]

I need a sig too. I guess I need to take a few pictures first though. LOL

[Saladbar]

dibs!!!!!

[ieatsrt8]

Chris, I see the merits of your intake and if I was in the mood to retune your X is the one I would buy.

However I dont see how you can compare it to a "through the fender" type ??? Regardless of how much cutting you do on the headlight and radiator cross mount you are still limited to cool air via the small grill in center of headlight.

I like your design (a lot actually) but I dont see it being in the same category as the ones that remove the tank. I am not saying that as a bad thing because as you know I am still using my tank !

Rich,

Thanks for the compliment. I see your point as well and agree to an extent. Its hard to compare apples to oranges unless you have them side by side and do extensive logging on the street / track / dyno. There is no doubt in my mind that both make good power and keep IAT's in check as much as possible. Like Matt said he doesn't utilize the washer tank. I sell to the masses so that design IMO isn't feasible...

[rrmccabe]

There are two classes of buyers for sure. I am close to the through the fender crowd but not quite.

And for those wanting sigs, how many cones?

[Saladbar]

There are two classes of buyers for sure. I am close to the through the fender crowd but not quite.

And for those wanting sigs, how many cones?

I'm gonna say.....

3


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[lt1z]

4 cones!

[Alvin]

I could offer my services. I do have a dyno. We can use someone elses truck and have someone there to make sure things stay equal. I think alot of you guyswould be disappointed a cai on these trucks does no whee near as much as they do on a g8 or camaro. In fact I bet tuned vs tuned you would be very lucky to see more than 7 at the tire unless it was force fed cooler air

[Saladbar]

I've had a little to drink... Better make it 5
~TTT~TTT~TTT~TTT~TTT

[ieatsrt8]

I could offer my services. I do have a dyno. We can use someone elses truck and have someone there to make sure things stay equal. I think alot of you guys would be disappointed a cai on these trucks does no whee near as much as they do on a g8 or camaro. In fact I bet tuned vs tuned you would be very lucky to see more than 7 at the tire unless it was force fed cooler air

I will take you up on that offer per our earlier discussion. I will be sending the "X" Intake out to you on the 21st of this month so you can offer a tune. Feel free to post up dyno results afterward. :coolthumb:

[TWO-TONS-OF-FUN]

Gotta love all the drama....and for what?? After all, it's obvious that my SLOWHITE intake is the fastest. Just ask anyone who's ran against me. :rofl:

your days are numbered at the top of that throne.....

[SLOWHITE]

Line up against Nick again and I can guarantee it will be a much different outcome this time. His previous tune was garbage... Isn't that the tune you currently run? :popcorn3:

Are you feeling guilty again? After what Nick had done to his truck I'm suprised he was able to keep his food down afterwords. Anyway, Im sure his truck will smoke mine now, as it should. As far as tunes go, if he had a Vector tune then, then we should have had the same tune, because that's what I have. Maybe your X intake just doesn't work well with a Vector tune...no big deal though. Remember what happened to Charles' Vector tuned truck when you swapped intakes??

[SLOWHITE]

your days are numbered at the top of that throne.....

I'm only at the top of that throne in your mind. :biggrin2:

[MyLS1Hauls]

Matt your hilarious! I like your intake and I think you did a fabulous job. The "X" intake draws cold air without relocating the washer tank or cutting a 4.5" hole in the fender! :kissass:

True the X intake is much better than the first design intake or what Jetttstream has to offer IMO...

Not trying to be argumentative, but how does the "X intake" draw more cool air than the other offerings? I honestly just don't see it. All of the available intakes (jett, both IEATs, ADM, vector) pull air from behind the headlight. IMO, the 90* bend right before the MAF just creates more restriction, and MAF scaling issues. BTW, I've done some testing of my own, including a 90* bend in the airbox, with a filter sticking out the front. My favorite intake was my Procharger...had cooler reported IATs than any of the intakes I've tried...and that's no BS.

[lt1z]

The X intake to my knowledge requires a good amount of trimming but ,yes it still has to breath through the headlight hole. As I said earlier in this thread I prefer intakes that draw cool air from outside the engine bay with a filter mounted outside the engine bay.

[JAY4SPEED]

The X intake to my knowledge requires a good amount of trimming but ,yes it still has to breath through the headlight hole. As I said earlier in this thread I prefer intakes that draw cool air from outside the engine bay with a filter mounted outside the engine bay.

The functional MPD hood does quite a good job at turning any of the "cookie cutter" factory air box CAIs into true cold air intakes at speed.

Getting back to my point earlier
I still don't agree tuning anything but scaling the MAFs in this test. When you're doing a comparison test between similar products you want to test them with "all things being equal" and doing full out tunes on them would be introducing other variables into the situation. IMHO, they all need to be tested on the same tune with only MAF scaling optimized to account for changing airflow characteristics.

When you flow bench a cylinder head, you don't change the airflow pressure at which the test is being conducted between the different heads you are comparing to get max results. Hell you can crank the test pressure way up and get any result that you would like if that were the case. The point is that you have a "standard" to test everything on an even playing field. So why would you create an "optimum" tune for each intake and alter things like timing and torque reduction? If thats the case then you are comparing the intakes along with the tuner's ability to tune (not a knock on you in any way, Brandon), not just intakes themselves. You can have 5 different tuners "optimize" a tune and have 5 different results. Too many variables involved in testing that way. As a standard, use a stock truck with a stock tune, since at one point we all started out that way, and testing on a dyno would be even better to eliminate more variables and gain consistancy. Just my :2cents:. But that would only apply to the cookie cutter CAIs and would hurt any testing on a true CAI that pulls in cold air. Maybe a track test and dyno test on all would be best?

[TWO-TONS-OF-FUN]

nats is out of the question, as i have prior plans already for that weekend......

it might be possible for brandon to have my truck that weekend.... but I WILL NOT be there..

[ieatsrt8]

Not trying to be argumentative, but how does the "X intake" draw more cool air than the other offerings? I honestly just don't see it. All of the available intakes (jett, both IEATs, ADM, vector) pull air from behind the headlight. IMO, the 90* bend right before the MAF just creates more restriction, and MAF scaling issues. BTW, I've done some testing of my own, including a 90* bend in the airbox, with a filter sticking out the front. My favorite intake was my Procharger...had cooler reported IATs than any of the intakes I've tried...and that's no BS.

Its called filter location as its DIRECTLY behind the headlight. Aprox 10 inches closer to outside air than (standard ieatsrt8, jetttstream, adm, vector). Take some temperature readings inside the airbox where the standard intakes sit, then take some readings directly behind the headlight. The airbox traps engine bay air and is directly above the washer tank. Its not a hard concept to fathom and prove. The filter is in front of the modified air box and not touching the washer tank. Only thing Nick did was the free headlight opening mod. The plastic that the headlight attaches too has NOT been altered! I have a proven intake for the TBSS already. I wouldn't have released the "X" Intake if it didn't work as advertised. You know and live locally to Nick (Xamo), take a ride in his TBSS.

Regarding the 90* bend there is 3 inches of straight section before hitting the MAF. There is no restriction or scaling issues related to the 90* bend. Feel free to call Brandon @ Fast Motorsports or Kirk @ Vector Motorsports. Alvin will have a tune in the near future as well.

I am glad you liked the supercharger, should of put a good converter in instead of selling the kit. :rolleyes:

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http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb158/s10cruiznlow/0728092157.jpg

[TWO-TONS-OF-FUN]

Its called filter location as its DIRECTLY behind the headlight. Aprox 10 inches closer to outside air than (standard ieatsrt8, jetttstream, adm, vector). Take some temperature readings inside the airbox where the standard intakes sit, then take some readings directly behind the headlight. The airbox traps engine bay air and is directly above the washer tank. Its not a hard concept to fathom and prove. The filter is in front of the modified air box and not touching the washer tank. Only thing Nick did was the free headlight opening mod. The plastic that the headlight attaches too has NOT been altered! I have a proven intake for the TBSS already. I wouldn't have released the "X" Intake if it didn't work as advertised. You know and live locally to Nick (Xamo), take a ride in his TBSS.

Regarding the 90* bend there is 3 inches of straight section before hitting the MAF. There is no restriction or scaling issues related to the 90* bend. Feel free to call Brandon @ Fast Motorsports or Kirk @ Vector Motorsports. Alvin will have a tune in the near future as well.

I am glad you liked the supercharger, should of put a good converter in instead of selling the kit. :rolleyes:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb158/s10cruiznlow/0420091924.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb158/s10cruiznlow/0728092157.jpg


i can verify and vouch for this info as i was there for the shake down and tuning of this truck....

intake is a proven performer....

[CHEVY6000TBSS]

Wouldn't a dyno session be a better comparison test bed on all these intake kits??
I would have thought there would have been a vendor here with a dynometer in his shop willing to do this test.
It's good to have the track comparison numbers too, but seems as though there are always too many variables that could cause a better run than the other.
The variable Greg or everyone is aiming at is the CAI kits, but we all know that's not always the case.
I will be buying a CAI kit in a few months and narrowing the choices down will be a big help!
By December, I'm aiming to have exhaust, CAI kit, and tune. Would like to do headers and high flow cats at the same time, but I just don't feel like pulling the tranny out to do this mod without knowing if it would be really worth all the effort or not.

Jim

[lt1z]

Its called filter location as its DIRECTLY behind the headlight. Aprox 10 inches closer to outside air than (standard ieatsrt8, jetttstream, adm, vector). Take some temperature readings inside the airbox where the standard intakes sit, then take some readings directly behind the headlight. The airbox traps engine bay air and is directly above the washer tank. Its not a hard concept to fathom and prove. The filter is in front of the modified air box and not touching the washer tank. Only thing Nick did was the free headlight opening mod. The plastic that the headlight attaches too has NOT been altered! I have a proven intake for the TBSS already. I wouldn't have released the "X" Intake if it didn't work as advertised. You know and live locally to Nick (Xamo), take a ride in his TBSS.

Regarding the 90* bend there is 3 inches of straight section before hitting the MAF. There is no restriction or scaling issues related to the 90* bend. Feel free to call Brandon @ Fast Motorsports or Kirk @ Vector Motorsports. Alvin will have a tune in the near future as well.

I am glad you liked the supercharger, should of put a good converter in instead of selling the kit. :rolleyes:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb158/s10cruiznlow/0420091924.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb158/s10cruiznlow/0728092157.jpg


someone should turn the idle up in that tune. 63X is too low.

[MyLS1Hauls]

Its called filter location as its DIRECTLY behind the headlight. Aprox 10 inches closer to outside air than (standard ieatsrt8, jetttstream, adm, vector). Take some temperature readings inside the airbox where the standard intakes sit, then take some readings directly behind the headlight. The airbox traps engine bay air and is directly above the washer tank. Its not a hard concept to fathom and prove. The filter is in front of the modified air box and not touching the washer tank. Only thing Nick did was the free headlight opening mod. The plastic that the headlight attaches too has NOT been altered! I have a proven intake for the TBSS already. I wouldn't have released the "X" Intake if it didn't work as advertised. You know and live locally to Nick (Xamo), take a ride in his TBSS.

Regarding the 90* bend there is 3 inches of straight section before hitting the MAF. There is no restriction or scaling issues related to the 90* bend. Feel free to call Brandon @ Fast Motorsports or Kirk @ Vector Motorsports. Alvin will have a tune in the near future as well.

I am glad you liked the supercharger, should of put a good converter in instead of selling the kit. :rolleyes:


Chris, the air is still coming from the same location...right behind the headlight...It all has to travel through the same place to get to the motor. I agree that if your washer tank is full, it can heat soak, but once moving, the air isn't stagnant in the airbox, and doesn't have time to heat soak. Without revealing too much, I was able to create a 90* bend in the same location as the "X" intake by rearranging my exiting aftermarket intake, to do some testing to satisfy my own curiosity.

As for the 90* bend (there are now 2 in the intake)...yes, it is technically a restriction...question is, is it a significant enough one to notice a loss in airflow? The ideal air path to the throttle body would be a perfectly straight pipe...the more bends, the more the air slows down...it can also induce turbulence (fluid dynamics 101). Also, I worked with the tune for it...that MAF scaling is changed quite a bit...I don't need a tune from one of the pros...I'm more than capable of handling it ;) This is cake compared to tuning a supercharger setup from scratch:biggrin2:

Chris, I will hand it to you...You came up with a NEW intake design...My hats off to you for testing new stuff.

As for why I got rid of my supercharger...I'm tired of wrenching on my daily driver...now I can just drive it and enjoy it. It was fun, and I'd install it again in a heartbeat, as long as it was not my daily.:coolthumb:

[MyLS1Hauls]

i can verify and vouch for this info as i was there for the shake down and tuning of this truck....

intake is a proven performer....

Proven how? Dyno numbers? Back to back track numbers?

[rrmccabe]

I am with Brad.

The key is cold air. Still using that stupidly small intake grill. No way it can compare to an open filter on the bottom.

And personally, I think a dyno is not the correct tool for testing an intake. Its all about air flow in normal operating environment.

I bet I could take a big fan, 6" hose and use the stock intake and out perform most the CAIs on the market.

Now maybe the X intake does better because it has better filter area exposed to the front but we are still dealing with that little grill.

I like the intake and it might be the best inside intake but I still am not going to compare it to the through the fender units !

[ieatsrt8]

I am with Brad.

The key is cold air. Still using that stupidly small intake grill. No way it can compare to an open filter on the bottom.

And personally, I think a dyno is not the correct tool for testing an intake. Its all about air flow in normal operating environment.

I bet I could take a big fan, 6" hose and use the stock intake and out perform most the CAIs on the market.

Now maybe the X intake does better because it has better filter area exposed to the front but we are still dealing with that little grill.

I like the intake and it might be the best inside intake but I still am not going to compare it to the through the fender units !

A dyno is just one of many tools for testing an intake. I prefer street and track testing. The KPA @ WOT is 99 on Nick's truck. IAT's are near or at ambient while cruising even on a warm day. I posted dyno numbers and IAT pictures of the dashawk. So stating it doesn't flow enough or not exposed enough to the fresh air is flat out wrong. Yes I agree the best possible solution and least restriction would be a straight shot out of the throttle body like the New Era OTR on the G8. By having a great selection, in the end the customer wins. :coolthumb:

[MyLS1Hauls]

A dyno is just one of many tools for testing an intake. I prefer street and track testing. The KPA @ WOT is 99 on Nick's truck. IAT's are near or at ambient while cruising even on a warm day. I posted dyno numbers and IAT pictures of the dashawk. So stating it doesn't flow enough or not exposed enough to the fresh air is flat out wrong. Yes I agree the best possible solution and least restriction would be a straight shot out of the throttle body like the New Era OTR on the G8. By having a great selection, in the end the customer wins. :coolthumb:

You do realize where the AAT numbers come from correct?...they are calculated/filtered from a real sensor...take them with a grain of salt (similar situation as OIL temps on the dash hawk). I used to be able to get IAT to be below AAT at times, with my ProCharger...and we both know that isn't physically possible. I gauge ambient off of the mirror, as its not as "filtered" as the AAT from the dash hawk:coolthumb: Also, the LOCATION of the IAT sensor plays a big role in reported temps...Having an IAT sensor located right behind the headlight will show cooler temps than using the sensor in the MAF, even though the air going into the motor is the same temp. All of my testing was done using the stock sensor in the MAF, including numbers from my HOB setup.:cheers1:

[rrmccabe]

and we both know that isn't physically possible.

Sure it is. I promise you there are times when the air temperature entering my intake is colder (MUCH) than the AAT.

:bum:

[jetttstream]

.... Yes I agree the best possible solution and least restriction would be a straight shot out of the throttle body like the New Era OTR on the G8. By having a great selection, in the end the customer wins. :coolthumb:



just and FYI...that the New Era OTR has been linked to water injestion and engine failure on the G8s (Due to leaky hood vents and certain positions of the vehicles at rest)

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp75/WhiteHotGT/ImportedPhotos00043.jpg

http://forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?t=10517&page=7

[muscleshop]

its not about price hell if its a nice product people will spend extra knowing is well worth their money.


Oh yeah... seems that way for headers anyway....lmao.

[ieatsrt8]

You do realize where the AAT numbers come from correct?...they are calculated/filtered from a real sensor...take them with a grain of salt (similar situation as OIL temps on the dash hawk). I used to be able to get IAT to be below AAT at times, with my ProCharger...and we both know that isn't physically possible. I gauge ambient off of the mirror, as its not as "filtered" as the AAT from the dash hawk:coolthumb: Also, the LOCATION of the IAT sensor plays a big role in reported temps...Having an IAT sensor located right behind the headlight will show cooler temps than using the sensor in the MAF, even though the air going into the motor is the same temp. All of my testing was done using the stock sensor in the MAF, including numbers from my HOB setup.:cheers1:

I regularly took the IAT Kit off to monitor the differences over a three month period from both the dash hawk and the mirror temps. I am well aware of what you stated above regarding the AAT sensor being calculated. Having the filter directly behind the headlight means the temps will drop significantly quicker and won't raise as quickly as the other stock box intakes. It made 5rwhp more than my standard intake. I can't please everybody its ok to disagree... :coolthumb:

[jetttstream]

It made 5 more HP b/c it is the SAME (and vector if you pay attention) as mine post MAF.

Congrats on the new intake! Maybe it's 'new-ish'

LOL

Straight coupler post MAF (and filter choice) makes the power. I'm sure Alvin can concur here. Maybe he will post up the dyno info he already has.

There is no way adding a 90* coupler or pipe to MY intake (yes you are selling jetttstream stage 3's now admit it) is going to beat out a standard Stage 3.

Dude read up on fluid dynamics. :boobies:

-Mike

[rrmccabe]

Straight coupler post MAF (and filter choice) makes the power.

Personally, I think flow is not an issue on these intakes once you get past using the stock neck down. They are all splitting hairs as far as performance goes in that aspect. The biggest performance gain comes the quality of air you can get.

[MyLS1Hauls]

Sure it is. I promise you there are times when the air temperature entering my intake is colder (MUCH) than the AAT.

:bum:

Rich-Nothing like a little chemical assist:biggrin2:

[jetttstream]

Personally, I think flow is not an issue on these intakes once you get past using the stock neck down. They are all splitting hairs as far as performance goes in that aspect. The biggest performance gain comes the quality of air you can get.

Well, you have seen the data I was referring to. And it is attributed to (2) things. Air filter and post MAF coupler. Now yes, we are splitting hairs.

However, I will say that you can get GREAT air if you adequately SEAL the intake tract, and most importantly the **Air Box**. I have a new neck-down coupler coming out shortly ("Stage 2") and it really seals the airbox quite well. You can throw the filter up front (outside of the airbox, behind the headlight) but I can recreate the same airtemps with a properly sealed airbox, combined with no "IAT" sensor trickery (i.e. relocation, sensor modification). Thus, I feel both are not needed. And am willing to let someone else prove it (third party).

Is everyone forgetting Mike's (MKEngineer's) Free Ram Air (MK-FRA). Try that and a nicely sealed airbox and you'll be quite surprised at the results. I trust him over a lot of other guys on this forum (real engineer vs. internet engineers).

For 2x to 2.5x the cost of an intake you could get a nice 'Chemical assist' kit and crush all intake trucks. ;) Quit tempting me. LOL

-Mike

[lt1z]

Man this thread makes me glad I built my own. lol

[06ssawd]

I dont get it, everyone preaches about sealing the air box on here. Im running the K&N intake and i trimmed the air box to fit around it like everyone on here says, and that made my IATs run WAY hotter. With my K&N heat shield My IATs are rarely more thaan 5 - 10 degrees over outside temp. With the Air box its usually about 20 degrees hotter. On a 65 degree day with the air box on i saw IATs of 120*.

[rrmccabe]

I dont get it, everyone preaches about sealing the air box on here. Im running the K&N intake and i trimmed the air box to fit around it like everyone on here says, and that made my IATs run WAY hotter. With my K&N heat shield My IATs are rarely more thaan 5 - 10 degrees over outside temp. With the Air box its usually about 20 degrees hotter. On a 65 degree day with the air box on i saw IATs of 120*.

You had something else going on. No one else has had same results. The K&N open top will run hotter regardless.

No idea how you can see IATs of 120 on a 65 degree day unless you just let it sit and idle for a long time.

[jetttstream]

Man this thread makes me glad I built my own. lol

Matt, I'll spell it out for you nice and slow this time. Chris has constantly said this and I *agree*. These intakes are for the people (start reading aloud now so you can understand) "who do not want to cut up their truck or remove their washer fluid tank"

If you can't get that I'd be happy to post up a video or .wav file. Just let me know, or maybe Chris can explain it to you, he's only said it like 200 times. Hello, McFly?:dunno:

I dont get it, everyone preaches about sealing the air box on here. Im running the K&N intake and i trimmed the air box to fit around it like everyone on here says, and that made my IATs run WAY hotter. With my K&N heat shield My IATs are rarely more thaan 5 - 10 degrees over outside temp. With the Air box its usually about 20 degrees hotter. On a 65 degree day with the air box on i saw IATs of 120*.

Opinions. If you have good success with the KN intake, more power to you. I bet a LOT of others have good success BUT won't post--since every time they do post up--they are attacked as you mention.

I have *not* personally tested it, but if you can get good results, then it would be a valid intake in my opinion.

However, If you did stuff the KN into the intake, and don't seal the air tube, that is when you get the hot air sucked in.

-Mike

[M T pockets]

Man this thread makes me glad I built my own. lol

:cheers1:

[ti28]

Man this thread makes me glad I built my own. lol

Makes me glad I have a Vector! :D

[06ssawd]

You had something else going on. No one else has had same results. The K&N open top will run hotter regardless.

No idea how you can see IATs of 120 on a 65 degree day unless you just let it sit and idle for a long time.

I ran the air box for 3 days just to make sure it wasnt a fluke. All 3 days no matter the temp or how i drove it it was about 20 degrees hotter than outside temp. the 120 degree reading on a 65 day was about half hour of 30 mph stop light to stop light and happened twice. The front of the air box was cut open just like the pic on your shootout site. Im just puzzled by this. I took the box back off and am running the heat shield since it seems to work better on my truck fro some reason :dunno:

[lt1z]

Matt, I'll spell it out for you nice and slow this time. Chris has constantly said this and I *agree*. These intakes are for the people (start reading aloud now so you can understand) "who do not want to cut up their truck or remove their washer fluid tank"

If you can't get that I'd be happy to post up a video or .wav file. Just let me know, or maybe Chris can explain it to you, he's only said it like 200 times. Hello, McFly?:dunno:




I fully understand that Mike. It's just all the bickering about intakes that are marginally better than stock is getting kind of silly. The reason CAIs are such big business is because they are relatively cheap and super easy to install mods. Therefore the casual modder will make this one of their first purchases along with a muffler etc..

As I mentioned earlier your time would be better spent on the Camaro market since their intakes actually do make quite a big difference.

I had a Vector gen 2 intake before I made one and that was pretty much the same damn thing as what the others on the market sell regardless of what they call it. It worked well enough but I wanted more so I made something that works better...even if it isn't something that you think is feasible to sell to the public.

Bottom line is this testing will put nothing to rest and people will continue to argue about what is better and make statements like intake X made 1 rwhp more that intake Y corrected. Gains of +/- 5 rwhp on a chassis dyno can be attributed to other variables then the parts change and that is exactly what we are talking about here. 1-2 rwhp on regular intakes and maybe 5 rwhp on the x intake.

Just sell what you have to those people who want an easy simple mod and don't wish to remove their washer tank or cut anything. If you were to come out 1 rwhp ahead of Chris' intake I highly doubt it would sway a significant number of buyers your way. In fact if you were around when I was buying a pre made intake (you weren't) I would have gone with Vector again or IEATSRT8 for the simple fact that you put your logo on every piece of silicone in the kit....also the reason I didn't buy radiator hoses when I swapped my heads/cam over the summer. :2cents:

[ieatsrt8]

It made 5 more HP b/c it is the SAME (and vector if you pay attention) as mine post MAF.

Congrats on the new intake! Maybe it's 'new-ish'

LOL

Straight coupler post MAF (and filter choice) makes the power. I'm sure Alvin can concur here. Maybe he will post up the dyno info he already has.

There is no way adding a 90* coupler or pipe to MY intake (yes you are selling jetttstream stage 3's now admit it) is going to beat out a standard Stage 3.

Dude read up on fluid dynamics. :boobies:

-Mike

Mike you are a duplicator not an innovator and I'm 100% sure Alvin will concur. My intakes (both of them) are entirely different than yours. There is a straight coupler pre and post MAF on my X intake. You have a 45 degree silicone going into the stock air box pre MAF. You are fooling yourself and the entire community to think your intake more power than the "X" Intake. You can not compare dyno numbers unless they are on the same truck same day, same dyno. Even then you have to do multiple pulls because of dyno error. Focus on your online business and have a pleasant day. This bickering by you is getting old really quick. Every post I make you, feel the need to put a jab in. You always have a smart ass comment to say openly, never clarify its directed towards my intake. But anybody with half a brain can see it.


As I mentioned earlier your time would be better spent on the Camaro market since their intakes actually do make quite a big difference.

I had a Vector gen 2 intake before I made one and that was pretty much the same damn thing as what the others on the market sell regardless of what they call it. It worked well enough but I wanted more so I made something that works better...even if it isn't something that you think is feasible to sell to the public.

Bottom line is this testing will put nothing to rest and people will continue to argue about what is better and make statements like intake X made 1 rwhp more that intake Y corrected. Gains of +/- 5 rwhp on a chassis dyno can be attributed to other variables then the parts change and that is exactly what we are talking about here. 1-2 rwhp on regular intakes and maybe 5 rwhp on the x intake.

Just sell what you have to those people who want an easy simple mod and don't wish to remove their washer tank or cut anything. If you were to come out 1 rwhp ahead of Chris' intake I highly doubt it would sway a significant number of buyers your way. In fact if you were around when I was buying a pre made intake (you weren't) I would have gone with Vector again or IEATSRT8 for the simple fact that you put your logo on every piece of silicone in the kit....also the reason I didn't buy radiator hoses when I swapped my heads/cam over the summer. :2cents:

:iamwithstupid: I couldn't have said it better myself. This bickering shit is a waste and it contributes NOTHING to the forum. I am done responding. Brandon and Greg I will be contacting your very soon!

[JAY4SPEED]

So much for the "no drama" clause made by the OP. :dunno:

[jetttstream]

Mike you are a duplicator not an innovator and I'm 100% sure Alvin will concur. My intakes (both of them) are entirely different than yours.

~TTT :rofl: :confused:

So what exactly did I duplicate then if my intake(s) are different from yours? You've cried for a year how it was a copy, and now you finally admit it was not? :dunno:

Really? Before you created the drama between Alvin and myself he reportedly said this:


Hey,

Have you thought about testing the Jetttstream intake? Like I said in my other PM its a good intake. I would say way better than a vector intake and it has some things better than the Ieatsrt8. Its also is a bit more budget friendly so that would be nice for a lot of guys. I'm also happy to say its not a copy, the elbow and bend locations are different (what I was talking about last time with why the AFR changed so much)

If you want to test it let me know and I'll talk to him about forwarding the one I got here for testing. I'll key the silicone and send it to you with updated MAF tables to get you going.


Keep diggin Chris. You want the dyno numbers next? LOL

Just for the record I didn't start MY transmission cooler project until WAY after your fake drama was started. Read: you started the drama on lies. Now it's the fault of Alvin and myself the way the relationship ended, but I tried to call him--he was busy with the attitude (cam). So oh well as the saying goes. I never copied anyone, I never saw X's trans kit. He definitely likes to talk--proof of which you ratted him out with your converter comment.

So, Alvin, just an FYI. I built the trans cooler for the East coast TBSS boys, and have all the pics to prove it I built it by my own hands. So maybe one day you will understand there are 2 sides to every story...and not just a LIARs (yes, ieatsrt8 is a liar...a bullshitter...and successfully did what it took to keep you with only ONE intake on your website.......)

[nonova0074]

:dunno: What all this bitching is about god damn please guys. I just dont understand how people become "FANS" of certain vendors. When a new vendor comes in they just bash the shit out of them. HELLO!!!!!!!!!!! Its a mother fucking intake what the fuck. I mean its not brain surgery. Fuck man if someone else comes up with a different twist on a product and sells it who care. Just stop complaining if I want to hear a bunch of women complaining I go to a nail salon. I just think this bickering needs to stop. This is bringing down the whole community.

[SLOWHITE]

Give me a D!!!...D :cheer:

Give me a R!!!...R :cheer:

Give me an A!!!...A :cheer:

Give me a...........

[ieatsrt8]

~TTT :rofl: :confused:

So what exactly did I duplicate then if my intake(s) are different from yours? You've cried for a year how it was a copy, and now you finally admit it was not? :dunno:

Now your putting words in my mouth! Listen, I could give a flying fuck about your intake and online business. I focus on my own stuff and life. When somebody states untrue facts regarding my intakes I will comment with a valid response. You on the other hand bash other folks products openly on the forums. Its bad business ethics! I NEVER said your intake duplicated mine. They all look fucking similar. You can only build an intake so many ways... I have been with the TBSS from the beginning, you on the other hand are late to the game. I appreciate what you've done for the community. I just wish you would not interject and bash other folks hard work. ^69

[jetttstream]

Now your putting words in my mouth! Listen, I could give a flying fuck about your intake and online business. I focus on my own stuff and life. When somebody states untrue facts regarding my intakes I will comment with a valid response. You on the other hand bash other folks products openly on the forums. Its bad business ethics! I NEVER said your intake duplicated mine. They all look fucking similar. You can only build an intake so many ways... I have been with the TBSS from the beginning, you on the other hand are late to the game. I appreciate what you've done for the community. I just wish you would not interject and bash other folks hard work. ^69

how about this:

You basically stated EXACTLY how I feel regarding my intake being basically replicated. When you get members and folks emailing you asking "Whats the difference between your intake and XXXX Intake." That really irritates the fuck outta me!

So are you a liar, or a liar?

Stop posting anytime. You typically say this a few times.

You obviously have a personal issue and aren't man enough to take it to PM or contact me any other way but cry to the public asking for help. Man up, boy. :argue2: :bum: :chair:

Lastly, WHERE am I bashing "folks hard work"? If so maybe I am in error, please explain.


how about :cheers1: RELAX! LOL


FEEL FREE TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS IN A PM. Or we can both continue to ruin the thread.

ps I edited post #125 above just for you.

[notfast]

Ill never buy anything from either one of you. :dunno:

[Warped]

They're not intakes, they're air induction tubes.

[Alvin]

Mike, What I said in a PM is not meant for public. You need to remove that.

Chris didn't hurt my relationship with you, you did, and you subsequently burnt all bridges with us by sending us no less than 10 insulting PM's and trying to drag us threw the mud on the internet.

Just do me a favor and leave me out of your bickering.

[marksdaleblvd]

Damn...

[SLOWHITE]

Give me a D!!!...D :cheer:

Give me a R!!!...R :cheer:

Give me an A!!!...A :cheer:

Give me a........... M!!!...M :cheer:

Give me an A!!!...A :cheer:

[Nooni43]

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab186/nooni43/kanye.jpg

[M T pockets]

HAHA!!!! O MAN this chit is to funny!!!!

Have u guys seen the new intake that Weiland has designed for our ss? its badazz.

[M T pockets]

Can we ban Jettstream from this site being he likes to talk to much BS?

[jetttstream]

Can we ban Jettstream from this site being he likes to talk to much BS?

You just don't like INTAKE threads.

You can ban me for talking BS.

That's fine with me!

I however am STANDING UP for MYSELF against ACCUSATIONS based on hearsay and false information.

Thanks for understanding! :)

-Mike

[jetttstream]

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab186/nooni43/kanye.jpg

PM me for some free stuff that is just TOO funny!!

[muscleshop]

Can we ban Jettstream from this site being he likes to talk to much BS?

...if we can use you as a benchmark.

[M T pockets]

This post from the start of it was doomed to go flipflop. Theres certain posts that shouldnt be brought up because your just asking for trouble or theres going to be alot of whining and crying going on. This post as you read it is proof.

Its going to go 6 plus pages and you will see it will get nowhere, but guys saying their CAI is better than the next and many COPYING others! So with that said do what you need to do to make a penny, but if you have been here as long as i have #5 member you know the guy who has the best customer service, the ORIGINAL cai thats proven to be nice on our ss, and lastly he doesnt brag about how his intake does this n that and you need to buy it. Just read up on many posts and you decide which one you want. Ive never bought one cai off any of you as i made my own for 1/2 the price, but its not that i didnt want to spend the $ its just i got a drawing from Leftcoast32 on how to build my own and i wanted to go that route.

So keep acting like 10yr old kids if you feel you will sell more CAIs, but if you are like me you will go with whos acting more professional on here and go that route.

Your friendly JJ

[TWO-TONS-OF-FUN]

YEAH... Rich.. this is over feel free to lock this thread... all of the bullshit is exactly what i did not want,

so let all the people who ask what is the best cold air for our trucks, just learn on their own, i try to do a valid helpful thing for the community, and everyone turns it into a bash fest and dick measuring contest...



as far as im concerned... my sweet obsolete, junk, hot air chugging, non stock air box cover having k&n will be here to stay....


have a great afternoon...

[rrmccabe]

I think you are right. Has ran its course and turned into nothing more than a pissing match.

Thread closed per your request.

[NORCAL SS]

just for the record JJ you suck cock..

ok thread offically closed