Maggie 1/4 mile time

[NORCAL SS]

so you guys know.

street tires and about 5.5 to 6 psi boost, babying it off the line. Now before anyone says oh 12.7 weak umm look at the trap speed and the 60 foot time and that tells the rest of the story. the mph is easy low 12s just 60 foot is killing me. you guys know that going from a 2.1 60 foot to a 1.8 will bring it down about 5 to 6 tenths. So yes i need the drag rads back on the truck. First pass was pathetic 13.2@105 2.48 60 foot time.. only had 2 rounds

now i looked at a few peoples times here. 12.5@105 with drag radials which im trapping a lot more than that and matt from tune time ran a 12.2@110 on his turbo awd set up and i think his 60 foot times were in the 1.7s if im not mistaken so yes mph is there just getting it down to the floor is a problem. So overall on 5.5 to 6 psi ie 2.9 pulley im very happy. im going to switch to a 2.8 very soon.


MODS
MAGGIE with 2.9 Pulley
Tune By Supercoolin
Custom 4 inch intake
LS7 TB
160 degree thermo
Ls1 Fans
Stainless works long tubes
Custom 3 Inch true duals
TR6 plugs gapped at .035
Granatelli Motorsports Wires

AND MAIN THING IS THAT ITS VERY STREETABLE 2.8 should work fine (at sea level here guys hehehhe) 2.8 on race gas will be fun to see what happens.


http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/12sec.jpg

[TrailLaser]

What was the psi for rear tires? Many seem to think the sweet spot is at 22-24. Still, the run wasnt bad!

[icu812]

so you guys know.

street tires and about 5.5 to 6 psi boost, babying it off the line. Now before anyone says oh 12.7 weak umm look at the trap speed and the 60 foot time and that tells the rest of the story. the mph is easy low 12s just 60 foot is killing me. you guys know that going from a 2.1 60 foot to a 1.8 will bring it down about 5 to 6 tenths. So yes i need the drag rads back on the truck. First pass was pathetic 13.2@105 2.48 60 foot time.. only had 2 rounds

now i looked at a few peoples times here. 12.5@105 with drag radials which im trapping a lot more than that and matt from tune time ran a 12.2@110 on his turbo awd set up and i think his 60 foot times were in the 1.7s if im not mistaken so yes mph is there just getting it down to the floor is a problem. So overall on 5.5 to 6 psi ie 2.9 pulley im very happy. im going to switch to a 2.8 very soon.


MODS
MAGGIE with 2.9 Pulley
Tune By Supercoolin
Custom 4 inch intake
LS7 TB
160 degree thermo
Ls1 Fans
Stainless works long tubes
Custom 3 Inch true duals
TR6 plugs gapped at .035
Granatelli Motorsports Wires

AND MAIN THING IS THAT ITS VERY STREETABLE 2.8 should work fine (at sea level here guys hehehhe) 2.8 on race gas will be fun to see what happens.


http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/12sec.jpg

You know how good your truck runs on boost with the maggie and so does Joe and so do Steve and I. How stange that a many with just a few bolt ons will "apparently" out run you at even "worse" DA's. Incredible. I wonder how that is?????????? Any ideas??????????????? Doesn't make much sense, does it????????? I guarantee a stock TBSS with only bolt ons would not have a prayer against an equally modded TB with a well tuned maggie. That's a fact, Jack!!!!!!!!

Great trap speed which obviously shows you are putting down a lot of power. A few more degrees of timing, the 2.8 and good gas, and the DR's, and you should see low 12s at well over 110.

[NORCAL SS]

What was the psi for rear tires? Many seem to think the sweet spot is at 22-24. Still, the run wasnt bad!


25 psi doesnt matter doesnt hook. I need to now adjust the coilovers truck sits to high in the back i might drop spring rate also seems to stiff. Trial and error thing which im doing since i know others will do the coilovers in rear.

[NORCAL SS]

You know how good your truck runs on boost with the maggie and so does Joe and so do Steve and I. How stange that a many with just a few bolt ons will "apparently" out run you at even "worse" DA's. Incredible. I wonder how that is?????????? Any ideas??????????????? Doesn't make much sense, does it?????????

Great trap speed whcih obviously shows you are putting down a lot of power. A few more degrees of timing, the 2.8 and good gas, and the DR's, and you should see low 12s at well over 110.


yah if im trapping 109 at 12.7 with 2.1 60 foot im gonna say 12.5 is no prob but traction is the prob. And main thing is that you can drive it everyday and have no issues. i need to go over the tranny settings with joe because 2 to 3rd it redlines so need to go over that.

[icu812]

yah if im trapping 109 at 12.7 with 2.1 60 foot im gonna say 12.5 is no prob but traction is the prob. And main thing is that you can drive it everyday and have no issues. i need to go over the tranny settings with joe because 2 to 3rd it redlines so need to go over that.

Your 60 foot time is a liitle slower than Joes but neither of you could hook with stock tires. Again, others here with no "power adder" and just a converter and bolt ons with a converter (which you and Joe also have) seem to hook with no probs and run 1.75 or better 60 foot times. Same time that BlackSS ran with DR's and 175 shot (out of the hole). Of course, he also ran a 12.7 with a 150 shot with DR's also which is not as fast (once again) as the guys with simple bolt ons. One guy on the other foums ran an amazing 12.39 with bolt ons with positive DAs???? Absolute Amazing!!! Shit with a 100 shot, he would not doubt be in the 9s??? We need to scrap the maggies and NOX and return ours to stock. Apparently would be faster and we modded and spent all that money for nothing. Incredible again esp. with stock tires. Guess we need lessons????????

[NORCAL SS]

Your 60 foot time is a liitle slower than Joes but neither of you could hook with stock tires. Again, others here with no "power adder" and just a converter and bolt ons with a converter (which you and Joe also have) seem to hook with no probs and run 1.75 or better 60 foot times. Same time that BlackSS ran with DR's and 175 shot (out of the hole). Of course, he also ran a 12.7 with a 150 shot with DR's also which is not as fast (once again) as the guys with simple bolt ons. One guy on the other foums ran an amazing 12.39 with bolt ons with positive DAs???? Absolute Amazing!!! Shit with a 100 shot, he would not doubt be in the 9s??? We need to scrap the maggies and NOX and return ours to stock. Apparently would be faster and we modded and spent all that money for nothing. Incredible again esp. with stock tires. Guess we need lessons????????


i dont get it?? im for sure with tune, intake and stall there is no way i could run 12.5s like tonygxp is running. Hes at sea level also. Maybe his truck is one of those freak things

[blue_beast]

Tony, bout time you got to the damn track. Great mph, you're obviously making alot of power. What was the DA?

[SSUV2NV]

i dont get it?? im for sure with tune, intake and stall there is no way i could run 12.5s like tonygxp is running. Hes at sea level also. Maybe his truck is one of those freak things


Tony I have a truck that ran a good et/mph. So many things to think of.
DA of course is huge. 60' foot I've ran 1.63. Spinning in your case isn't just in the first 60'. Either way nice et!!

Mike

[Left Coast '32]

so you guys know.

street tires and about 5.5 to 6 psi boost, babying it off the line. Now before anyone says oh 12.7 weak umm look at the trap speed and the 60 foot time and that tells the rest of the story. the mph is easy low 12s just 60 foot is killing me. you guys know that going from a 2.1 60 foot to a 1.8 will bring it down about 5 to 6 tenths. So yes i need the drag rads back on the truck. First pass was pathetic 13.2@105 2.48 60 foot time.. only had 2 rounds

now i looked at a few peoples times here. 12.5@105 with drag radials which im trapping a lot more than that and matt from tune time ran a 12.2@110 on his turbo awd set up and i think his 60 foot times were in the 1.7s if im not mistaken so yes mph is there just getting it down to the floor is a problem. So overall on 5.5 to 6 psi ie 2.9 pulley im very happy. im going to switch to a 2.8 very soon.


MODS
MAGGIE with 2.9 Pulley
Tune By Supercoolin
Custom 4 inch intake
LS7 TB
160 degree thermo
Ls1 Fans
Stainless works long tubes
Custom 3 Inch true duals
TR6 plugs gapped at .035
Granatelli Motorsports Wires

AND MAIN THING IS THAT ITS VERY STREETABLE 2.8 should work fine (at sea level here guys hehehhe) 2.8 on race gas will be fun to see what happens.


http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/12sec.jpg

Great times Brother!!!!

I am glad to see it ran so well for you. Traction is the real issue with the 60' times. I played with tires pressures when I went and tried 30psi, 28 psi, 26psi and 23psi. 28psi was the best with a 2.03 60' time and it was stable on the top end. at 23-26psi it was unstable at the top end and the ABS was going nutts trying to stop me after the run. Drag Radials are a must!!!!

Your MPH is what tells the story on power, remember that even at sea level now the temps are effecting the runs. I cannt wait till winter and a few runs.

With the 2.8 and race gas you will be even faster!!

[spddmn]

Nice run Tony and have to agree.....WTF is the guy doing to run 12.3 with only bolt-ons:asshole: We spent all this money and here comes some freakish TBSS that kills those with expensive mods. I say we jack his ride and tear it down to see what he really has:muahaha:

[icu812]

Tony I have a truck that ran a good et/mph. So many things to think of.
DA of course is huge. 60' foot I've ran 1.63. Spinning in your case isn't just in the first 60'. Either way nice et!!

Mike

12.39 //1.63 with ONLY bolt ons , full weight, positive DA= Faster than Maggies=Faster than STS kits=Faster than Head and Cams=Faster than 100 Shot=Faster than 125 Shot=Faster than 150 Shot???? National Record Holder for 4800-5000lb vehicle in Stock Class????? Not that I am really trying to start anything but how UNLIKELY is this? I guess with the 100 shot thru the maggie I probably would get beat. Only one way to find out and settle this BS>>> Bring IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

[spddmn]

12.39 //1.63 with ONLY bolt ons , full weight, positive DA= Faster than Maggies=Faster than STS kits=Faster than Head and Cams=Faster than 100 Shot=Faster than 125 Shot=Faster than 150 Shot???? National Record Holder for 4800-5000lb vehicle in Stock Class????? Not that I am really trying to start anything but how UNLIKELY is this? I guess with the 100 shot thru the maggie I probably would get beat. Only one way to find out and settle this BS>>> Bring IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

:rofl:I was wondering when the hell you were going to call bullshit on this Joe! Wasn't sure if ya already had on the other site or not? Or, if he posted a slip stating this. The way you were talking here, thought you had viewed proof of his times! See, now I think you have Joe(LeftCoast) shakin in his boots now for sure!

[NORCAL SS]

Tony, bout time you got to the damn track. Great mph, you're obviously making alot of power. What was the DA?


temp 79
relative humidity 28
absolute baramotoer 29.38

For me dont know what that means on corrected time. pretty much dont care because when i go street racing out here i dont say oh yah truck ran 12.7 but corrected 12.5 or whatever (no offense to you blue ;))

also balisticss ran a 12.8 or 12.5 corrected at 106. with just a few bolt ons. Thats insane. If he can id like him to post his time slip up id like to compare like 1/8 mile and stuff like that to mine to see how we stand. Ive raced a guy out here with long tubes, yank, pulley and all that and he said he ran a 13.1 on street tires and i destroyed them. For him to stay with me especaillly from a rolling start he would need at least 100 more hp. He only trapped 103. now 103 trap to 109 trap at 4500 pounds takes a lot more power

[icu812]

:rofl:I was wondering when the hell you were going to call bullshit on this Joe! Wasn't sure if ya already had on the other site or not? Or, if he posted a slip stating this. The way you were talking here, thought you had viewed proof of his times!

Don't know what's really going on Mark, but do know for a fact there are a lot of BS Internet times being posted (including phoney time slips) so guys can make themselves feel good about themselves I guess??? We have some rather unbeliveable times for a 5000 BRICK than seems quite often to run faster than their counterparts (C-6 Vette (1500lbs ligher) and the GTO (1000 lbs lighter)). Most of the time it's with LESS mods??????? This is even against autos so the excuse of "quys doesn't know how to drive" is ruled out!!! Looks like someone will always post a time that is Faster than anyone elses no matter what even if it is utterly ridiculous. I guess I should tell evyone I went deep into the 10s with 60' time of 1.39 (after all mine is at least AWD)!!!!!!!!!!!

[icu812]

temp 79
relative humidity 28
absolute baramotoer 29.38

For me dont know what that means on corrected time. pretty much dont care because when i go street racing out here i dont say oh yah truck ran 12.7 but corrected 12.5 or whatever.

also balisticss ran a 12.8 or 12.5 corrected at 106. with just a few bolt ons. Thats insane. If he can id like him to post his time slip up id like to compare like 1/8 mile and stuff like that to mine to see how we stand. Ive raced a guy out here with long tubes, yank, pulley and all that and he said he ran a 13.1 on street tires and i destroyed them. For him to stay with me especaillly from a rolling start he would need at least 100 more hp. He only trapped 103. now 103 trap to 109 trap at 4500 pounds takes a lot more power



My point EXACTLY Tony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MikeG]

Just so you know..

DA of 2042
Corrected time: 12.44 @ 111.64

[NORCAL SS]

Just so you know..

DA of 2042
Corrected time: 12.44 @ 111.64

wow i need to get the slickso n i t

[Left Coast '32]

With Slicks you can launch on the converter and rip out the hole.

[M T pockets]

Im going to run my SS this week with my mods and show you Maggie guys how you wasted your money! lolol. Kiddin brothers! shit who am i to talk about spending $$$$ on my ss mods, hahaha.

[ieatsrt8]

wow i need to get the slickso n i t

Get some slicks on it and youll be touchn 11's. Ya I can understand when people call b.s. on these mid 12's with bolt ons. My friend went a 13.7 mid summer last year with a tune and intake. Got a 3600 converter with awd went a 12.9 in the fall. With negative da, sea level me thinks TonyGXP's time is not outta the question. Has quite a few more mods.

[spddmn]

Don't know what's really going on Mark, but do know for a fact there are a lot of BS Internet times being posted (including phoney time slips) so guys can make themselves feel good about themselves I guess??? We have some rather unbeliveable times for a 5000 BRICK than seems quite often to run faster than their counterparts (C-6 Vette (1500lbs ligher) and the GTO (1000 lbs lighter)). Most of the time it's with LESS mods??????? This is even against autos so the excuse of "quys doesn't know how to drive" is ruled out!!! Looks like someone will always post a time that is Faster than anyone elses no matter what even if it is utterly ridiculous. I guess I should tell evyone I went deep into the 10s with 60' time of 1.39 (after all mine is at least AWD)!!!!!!!!!!!

I would just like to see all the, "shit talkers!!" including some of the vendors from the other site, show up in Vegas when we meet. Then all of the so called DA's, Dyno's and bullshit claims to fame will be proven!! But we already know, those will be the ones that don't show

[MikeG]

Has a meet even been set in Vegas???

[shreveportSS]

Why don't you guys pic a place to have a meat that is in the center of the US instead of way out west. Some place with less than 200ft elevation, Like Shreveport, LA.

[NORCAL SS]

Get some slicks on it and youll be touchn 11's. Ya I can understand when people call b.s. on these mid 12's with bolt ons. My friend went a 13.7 mid summer last year with a tune and intake. Got a 3600 converter with awd went a 12.9 in the fall. With negative da, sea level me thinks TonyGXP's time is not outta the question. Has quite a few more mods.

ok this -da and shit. Now if i was at tonygxp da what would I run or if tonygxp was at my da what would he run. Im used to seeing 12.5 is 12.5 etc never really went off the corrected stuff. now i thought elevation was the main thing for good times. CLoser to sea level the better it runs. I guess these guys are getting killer times because of DA where if they raced where i was would be at best mid to low 13s???

man i wonder what my truck would be at tonygxps track. Probabaly touching 11s??

CAN SOMEONE PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE put tonygxps da in that calculator thing and tell me what i would have ran at his DA??

[NORCAL SS]

Why don't you guys pic a place to have a meat that is in the center of the US instead of way out west. Some place with less than 200ft elevation, Like Shreveport, LA.

Honestly bro i wont drive all the way out there. I just put my times down to end al the talk. This DA thing is what throws it way out of wack. When people say oh yah mine ran 14.4 on the blower at 6500 elevation i totally understand and see that. when i saw my time truck felt a lot faster than a 12.7 and i was like wtf i could have saved money doing less mods minus supercharger and be faster ie 12.5 but alot less mph. when i ran a 13.2@105 i was like thats good for 12.80s im gonna just dial in 12.84 call it a day well i was faster.

Then im hearing all this -DA talk and now im kinda understanding it. Im just trying to figure out his 12.5 would be what out here??? or my 12.7 would be what out there. This -DA messes stuff up lol.

So Corrected like everyone else is doing
with a 2.1 60 foot time
i would be running a 12.44@111
That sounds all good for sure but i see 12.7@109 i stick with that. im not going street racing now adn saying well corrected DA runs low 12s. My buddy ran a 12.7@107 on his wrx and in that video you can see how much i pull on him on a rolling start.

[Alvin]

Is your truck 2wd? If it is AWD it is very impressive.

I posted a DA calculator, ET corrector, and HP predictor spreadsheet I created over on the other site.. would anyone use it here? I can post i here if someone wants to use it.

A friend of mine has a 07 AWD truck with a 2.7 pulley. He has run a best of 8.26 @ 86mph I believe.

My 2WD runs a 7.90 @ almost 89mph. We are at 800 ft elevation then on top of that it was hot as crap and a low was rolling in.

[rrmccabe]

Couple things...

I think there are fast NA trucks out there. I am not running the times they are but I am positive TonyGXP's times are correct. He has had good air and the truck runs well. I know guys that are rivals with him have seen him turn those times at the track.

I think Lyndon (Westers) can make a truck run well with bolt ons. I had his tune for awhile. It was just a little agressive with me and could not get rid of the KR and it did not have the TM I wanted to see.

Balisticss is using a Skiba tune. which is also very agressive. I know John has really worked hard at tweaking his tune. It doesnt have enough safety factor to suite me, but I know its fast.

I am pretty sure I am going to step up to a Maggie pretty soon. I have no doubt that these trucks running stalls, no TM and tuned a little on the edge will run in the 12's.

I personally would rather run the same times and a little futher from the "edge" using the maggie :)

Besides a maggie engine compartment is cool looking. Cant say that about a NA motor with the cover off !!


Alvin, please post the calc !!

[icu812]

Honestly bro i wont drive all the way out there. I just put my times down to end al the talk. This DA thing is what throws it way out of wack. When people say oh yah mine ran 14.4 on the blower at 6500 elevation i totally understand and see that. when i saw my time truck felt a lot faster than a 12.7 and i was like wtf i could have saved money doing less mods minus supercharger and be faster ie 12.5 but alot less mph. when i ran a 13.2@105 i was like thats good for 12.80s im gonna just dial in 12.84 call it a day well i was faster.

Then im hearing all this -DA talk and now im kinda understanding it. Im just trying to figure out his 12.5 would be what out here??? or my 12.7 would be what out there. This -DA messes stuff up lol.

So Corrected like everyone else is doing
with a 2.1 60 foot time
i would be running a 12.44@111
That sounds all good for sure but i see 12.7@109 i stick with that. im not going street racing now adn saying well corrected DA runs low 12s. My buddy ran a 12.7@107 on his wrx and in that video you can see how much i pull on him on a rolling start.

At about a -2900 DA, your times would be about .3 faster and about 3 mph faster on the big end. So again, you run a 12.4 with a maggie and he runs a 12.54 with bolt ons. Better sell the maggie, as you got ripped off.

[NORCAL SS]

Is your truck 2wd? If it is AWD it is very impressive.

I posted a DA calculator, ET corrector, and HP predictor spreadsheet I created over on the other site.. would anyone use it here? I can post i here if someone wants to use it.

A friend of mine has a 07 AWD truck with a 2.7 pulley. He has run a best of 8.26 @ 86mph I believe.

My 2WD runs a 7.90 @ almost 89mph. We are at 800 ft elevation then on top of that it was hot as crap and a low was rolling in.


yes my truck is 2wd. 5.5 to 6psi boost at most with a 2.9 pulley. Hell with a 2.8 or even 2.7 my truck should be a lot faster. My 1/8 mile time is like 4 mph more than tonygxp and he was running 7.80s with just 4 bolt ons and all motor.

Can someone please do a DA calculator set up for tonygxp time where im at or my time where tonygxp time is at.

[NORCAL SS]

Couple things...

I think there are fast NA trucks out there. I am not running the times they are but I am positive TonyGXP's times are correct. He has had good air and the truck runs well. I know guys that are rivals with him have seen him turn those times at the track.

I think Lyndon (Westers) can make a truck run well with bolt ons. I had his tune for awhile. It was just a little agressive with me and could not get rid of the KR and it did not have the TM I wanted to see.

Balisticss is using a Skiba tune. which is also very agressive. I know John has really worked hard at tweaking his tune. It doesnt have enough safety factor to suite me, but I know its fast.

I am pretty sure I am going to step up to a Maggie pretty soon. I have no doubt that these trucks running stalls, no TM and tuned a little on the edge will run in the 12's.

I personally would rather run the same times and a little futher from the "edge" using the maggie :)

Besides a maggie engine compartment is cool looking. Cant say that about a NA motor with the cover off !!


Alvin, please post the calc !!

12.5 with negative da what would he run with my da all motor. Anyone have this calculator so i can run the numbers?

[Alvin]

Here it is

Heres the one I made for myself.

http://www.pcmforless.com/images/crap/timeslip.xls

Its damn accurate once you tune in your S and ET factors. To tune these factors in I would reccomend running at the track soon after getting on the dyno and adjust them until they fit. This sheet makes an assumption that acceleration will fit a 3rd order polynomial. It also has DA calculator, along with a SAE correction and corresponding ET and MPH correction.

Its important that you know your track elevation and weather station elevation. You want them to be close to each other. If you have a barometer youare taking to the track you can just fill in 0 for track elevation.

Its also got a what if section where you can enter a correction factor and it would tell you what the car would run on such a day. This is cool because it lets you better compare runs in cooler weather vs. warmer weather.


If you guys have any questions let me know. I wrote this quite a few months ago so I'm not real fresh on it but can figure it out if need be.

[spddmn]

Honestly bro i wont drive all the way out there. I just put my times down to end al the talk. This DA thing is what throws it way out of wack. When people say oh yah mine ran 14.4 on the blower at 6500 elevation i totally understand and see that. when i saw my time truck felt a lot faster than a 12.7 and i was like wtf i could have saved money doing less mods minus supercharger and be faster ie 12.5 but alot less mph. when i ran a 13.2@105 i was like thats good for 12.80s im gonna just dial in 12.84 call it a day well i was faster.

Then im hearing all this -DA talk and now im kinda understanding it. Im just trying to figure out his 12.5 would be what out here??? or my 12.7 would be what out there. This -DA messes stuff up lol.

So Corrected like everyone else is doing
with a 2.1 60 foot time
i would be running a 12.44@111
That sounds all good for sure but i see 12.7@109 i stick with that. im not going street racing now adn saying well corrected DA runs low 12s. My buddy ran a 12.7@107 on his wrx and in that video you can see how much i pull on him on a rolling start.

Tony,
Posted on another thread after we ran a G-tech time here in Denver of 13.31@107mph. Did a DA and said we would be at 11.92@118mph that would be great but doubt it. More like mid to high 12's if anything, :dunno:, could be wrong!

[Alvin]

My 1/8 mile time is like 4 mph more than tonygxp and he was running 7.80s with just 4 bolt ons and all motor.



That tells you your truck is faster.. It just needs to hook up!

[spddmn]

Has a meet even been set in Vegas???

Nothing concrete yet but hoping and thinking for something in November, early part more then likely

[TrailLaser]

Heres a few:

http://www.modulardepot.com/density.php

http://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_da_em.htm

[NORCAL SS]

That tells you your truck is faster.. It just needs to hook up!


i guess its the -da that helps out a lot. Dont know how you get a negative da. I go to the track run and just take time for what it is. hell my buddy with his single turbo supra ran a 12.4@127 good for low 10s all day long just major lag on it. People see 12.4 and they are thats slow but mph is there. We are doing a powerglide conversion on his car with a big stall adn that should wake it up.

[spddmn]

i guess its the -da that helps out a lot. Dont know how you get a negative da. I go to the track run and just take time for what it is. hell my buddy with his single turbo supra ran a 12.4@127 good for low 10s all day long just major lag on it. People see 12.4 and they are thats slow but mph is there. We are doing a powerglide conversion on his car with a big stall adn that should wake it up.

And thats what it's all about, the true times. Like I said, have all these guys posting these, " unreal times," with the dynos, g-techs and DA's, and see if they show when we all get together.The truth will be told!

[icu812]

Couple things...

I think there are fast NA trucks out there. I am not running the times they are but I am positive TonyGXP's times are correct. He has had good air and the truck runs well. I know guys that are rivals with him have seen him turn those times at the track.

I think Lyndon (Westers) can make a truck run well with bolt ons. I had his tune for awhile. It was just a little agressive with me and could not get rid of the KR and it did not have the TM I wanted to see.

Balisticss is using a Skiba tune. which is also very agressive. I know John has really worked hard at tweaking his tune. It doesnt have enough safety factor to suite me, but I know its fast.

I am pretty sure I am going to step up to a Maggie pretty soon. I have no doubt that these trucks running stalls, no TM and tuned a little on the edge will run in the 12's.

I personally would rather run the same times and a little futher from the "edge" using the maggie :)

Besides a maggie engine compartment is cool looking. Cant say that about a NA motor with the cover off !!


Alvin, please post the calc !!

Would never call anyone a liar, but without examining any of the trucks personally, how can anyone say what or what not mods have actually been done????? How does anyone know if you are running Nox or not for example. Because your friends verify it. Means nothing and you know it. Shit my friends will verify I don't even have a maggie or Nox or any mods for example. Proof is in the pudding and I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I live a dogs life. If I can't eat it, shit it or fuck it, then it doesn't exist. This includes aliens, Bigfoot, the Lock Ness Monster, Chupacabra, or 5000 lbs trucks with a coefficent of drag of about .9 that run the quarter in the low 12s with no power adders. Sorry, ain't buying it.

[rrmccabe]

i guess its the -da that helps out a lot.

HUGE !

Your truck is fast. No doubt.

[rrmccabe]

Would never call anyone a liar, but without examining any of the trucks personally, how can anyone say what or what not mods have actually been done????? How does anyone know if you are running Nox or not for example. Because your friends verify it. Means nothing and you know it. Shit my friends will verify I don't even have a maggie or Nox or any mods for example. Proof is in the pudding and I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I live a dogs life. If I can't eat it, shit it or fuck it, then it doesn't exist. This includes aliens, Bigfoot, the Lock Ness Monster, Chupacabra, or 5000 lbs trucks with a coefficent of drag of about .9 that run the quarter in the low 12s with no power adders. Sorry, ain't buying it.

Not going to argue what mods have been done. All I am saying is I know Tony is turning the times he says. Yea he might be spraying... I dont know that. I just know his slips are not fabricated.

Like I said, I am not turning those times, but I know it can be done. My truck ran 14.1 stock. As a test I cranked up the timing and removed all the TM for a few runs. I had to go back and clean up the KR using the histogram in HPTuners. This netted me a 13.5 in 500 DA with stock intake and everything. Toss in a converter and you are playing with 12's.

I am not a tuner. That was just brute force tuning !

[icu812]

Not going to argue what mods have been done. All I am saying is I know Tony is turning the times he says. Yea he might be spraying... I dont know that. I just know his slips are not fabricated.

Like I said, I am not turning those times, but I know it can be done. My truck ran 14.1 stock. As a test I cranked up the timing and removed all the TM for a few runs. I had to go back and clean up the KR using the histogram in HPTuners. This netted me a 13.5 in 500 DA with stock intake and everything. Toss in a converter and you are playing with 12's.

I am not a tuner. That was just brute force tuning !

That is problem as I said before. No one really knows what mods have REALLY been done when posting these times so bragging rights mean nada. And, as we all know the faster you go, the proportionally more power you need to accomplish this feat. It would take a lot hp for that feat (unless you had a vehicle that wasn't hooking up) so to say that a stock truck went from a 14.5 to a 12.5 with bolt ons means the guy had to add aprox 150 hp. The guy that ran a 12.39 would need approx 544 hp to trap a 111 mph. And with parasitic loss of out drive train, imagine what that number really is????? With bolt ons>WOW. Forget the maggie like I said.

Anyway, came to Vega in November if you can or dare as it is the Party Capital of the World, a Great Place to Meet, Room Rates are low and I can help a lot with this, and the track conditions are perfect. ZERO chance of rain, low humidity (about 10%, highs about 65-70 and track time temps about 55-60). Also, beat up the casinos and let them pay your way.

[1fastfamilyman]

It's all in the converter guys. What you don't understand is Tony is using a very good converter in the Vigilante. Vigilante's are known to be looser than yanks, and with him running a 3200, it's more like a 3600. Now, couple that with his bolt-ons, his weight reduction, smaller wheels and drag radials, and then the killer DA, and a track that was prepped phenominally, then you have the combination for som great times. It's honestly not that hard to believe. LS1 A4 cars have been running 10's with nothing more than bolt-on's and big converters for a few years now. It's all about the converter, weight reduction, detailed tuning, which I'm sure Tony gets from TTP, and awesome weather and track conditions, which the east coast is blesses with in the fall, winter, and early spring.

[1fastfamilyman]

That is problem as I said before. No one really knows what mods have REALLY been done when posting these times so bragging rights mean nada. And, as we all know the faster you go, the proportionally more power you need to accomplish this feat. It would take a lot hp for that feat (unless you had a vehicle that wasn't hooking up) so to say that a stock truck went from a 14.5 to a 12.5 with bolt ons means the guy had to add aprox 150 hp. The guy that ran a 12.39 would need approx 544 hp to trap a 111 mph. And with parasitic loss of out drive train, imagine what that number really is????? With bolt ons>WOW. Forget the maggie like I said.





you don't understand the principal of converters, do you? The LS1 A4 guys that are running 10's with nothing but blot-ons are only dynoing like 340-350 rwhp. It's all in the converter.


Here's the bolt-on record list from LS1tech. Keep in mind, these cars are bolt-on cars only, so no heads, cam, nitrous, anything....all stock internals. Be sure to look at the weight of those cars also. Avg. weight for an f-body is 3500+ lbs.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=628613

[rrmccabe]

Alvin....

Thanks for the excel sheet. That is very nice.

[icu812]

you don't understand the principal of converters, do you? The LS1 A4 guys that are running 10's with nothing but blot-ons are only dynoing like 340-350 rwhp. It's all in the converter.


Here's the bolt-on record list from LS1tech. Keep in mind, these cars are bolt-on cars only, so no heads, cam, nitrous, anything....all stock internals. Be sure to look at the weight of those cars also. Avg. weight for an f-body is 3500+ lbs.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=628613

I certainly understand cars that weigh in at 2800 to 3200 lbs vs those that cut thru the air well vs a Brick that weighs in at approx 4800 to 5200 (with driver). Think 2000 lbs makes a difference??? My Z06 weighs 3150. I wonder how it would run if weighed 5000???? These guys are trapping at over 120. Has nothing to do with converter. Weight and power. Not only that but these engines are blueprinted and every available hp has been squeezed (including intake changes) out of them. Look at the National Record Holders and then look at the average guys that run at the track and notice the difference. Also, stop internet racing. It DOESN'T COUNT. Anyone can do that. Matt only ran .3 faster than Tony with well over a 100 hp more also. Guess his build was also a waste of time with the turbo setup. Enough is enough. Like I said, bring it. Quit the trash talking and put the cash where the gash is! Converters are nice, great for 60' times, etc. but they don't add hp.

Oh yes, I wonder how many of these "times" fall into the "same" category as they also need verification, don't ya think?????????

[NORCAL SS]

what would -2900 da do for my time anyway. i think tonygxp had -2900 da??

you know what fuck it doesnt matter. Im happy with my times and we will keep it like that. i street race and honestly corrected times doesnt mean shit when i race on the street. I just need to get on the drag radials and call it a day.

[rrmccabe]

Probably 3/10 and 3mph.

Dont know what your DA was.

I dont remember TonyGXP running that low of DA. But I really dont pay that much attention.

[spddmn]

you don't understand the principal of converters, do you? The LS1 A4 guys that are running 10's with nothing but blot-ons are only dynoing like 340-350 rwhp. It's all in the converter.


Here's the bolt-on record list from LS1tech. Keep in mind, these cars are bolt-on cars only, so no heads, cam, nitrous, anything....all stock internals. Be sure to look at the weight of those cars also. Avg. weight for an f-body is 3500+ lbs.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=628613

Now your starting a shit storm!!:argue2: I know for a fact there are 4 guys here that built their trannies together and they know VERY WELL what they are speaking of and what a converter is and does! I may not but to call someone out like that......OH MY! Joe is correct, too much, way too much talking about DA's, G-Techs and dyno here besides just stating what others have and are running mod wise and track times. Let the proof be in the pudding. No rolling start bullshit, everything from a dig as racing should be. I also wish our trucks weighed 3500.......Would love to deduct 1800lbs for racing!

[NORCAL SS]

Probably 3/10 and 3mph.

Dont know what your DA was.

I dont remember TonyGXP running that low of DA. But I really dont pay that much attention.


well time to put it in my sig now. 12.7@109 with 2.1 60 foot 12.4@111.8 corrected lol jk. Well now time to take truck back out again mess with the coilovers then call joe get the tranny shifting down. I need to turn off the torque management off still lol

[rrmccabe]

Cant see your entire slip. Whats the weather conditions and track elevation?

[NORCAL SS]

Cant see your entire slip. Whats the weather conditions and track elevation?


temp 79
relative humidity 28
absolute baramotoer 29.38
track is like 10-15 feet above sea level

[rrmccabe]

OK then. 12.43 @111.64 corrected.

[1fastfamilyman]

I certainly understand cars that weigh in at 2800 to 3200 lbs vs those that cut thru the air well vs a Brick that weighs in at approx 4800 to 5200 (with driver). Think 2000 lbs makes a difference??? My Z06 weighs 3150. I wonder how it would run if weighed 5000???? These guys are trapping at over 120. Has nothing to do with converter. Weight and power. Not only that but these engines are blueprinted and every available hp has been squeezed (including intake changes) out of them. Look at the National Record Holders and then look at the average guys that run at the track and notice the difference. Also, stop internet racing. It DOESN'T COUNT. Anyone can do that. Matt only ran .3 faster than Tony with well over a 100 hp more also. Guess his build was also a waste of time with the turbo setup. Enough is enough. Like I said, bring it. Quit the trash talking and put the cash where the gash is! Converters are nice, great for 60' times, etc. but they don't add hp.

Oh yes, I wonder how many of these "times" fall into the "same" category as they also need verification, don't ya think?????????


Wow......you really are clueless to optimizing a set-up, aren't you? These guys are running high 10's @120+ with less hp than our trucks. It's in the converter, gearing, weight, and tuning. You DO NOT have to have 500hp to run 10's, just a properly set-up car. And who's internet racing....the numbers are there plain and simple. I don't understand why you're getting so butthurt over someone whose NA set-up is working so well. Anyone could duplicate it, IF........IF, they had the same weather conditions, track conditions, tuning, and weight reduction required to get there.

Seriously, do you know anything about drag racing? :dunno:

[icu812]

Wow......you really are clueless to optimizing a set-up, aren't you? These guys are running high 10's @120+ with less hp than our trucks. It's in the converter, gearing, weight, and tuning. You DO NOT have to have 500hp to run 10's, just a properly set-up car. And who's internet racing....the numbers are there plain and simple. I don't understand why you're getting so butthurt over someone whose NA set-up is working so well. Anyone could duplicate it, IF........IF, they had the same weather conditions, track conditions, tuning, and weight reduction required to get there.

Seriously, do you know anything about drag racing? :dunno:

You don't need HP to run 10s?? Just a set-up car?? How do YOU know those numbers are even CORRECT??? You DON'T! Believe everything you read? Been abducted by aliens lately? You again have ZERO proof that the times posted are in fact real numbers one and a 2800 lb car can run just a little faster than a 5000 brick, converter or not. Yes, it's in the gear, converter, tuning, WEIGHT, HORSEPOWER, conditions, DRIVER, tires. Like I said believe what you want, tell everyone you or buddies have a 10/11/or 12 second car and go from there. Who cares? Yes, I know a bit about drag racing, thank you very much as I have probably been doing it longer than most of these guys have been alive-unfortunately (yes at the Pro level). Come to Vegas in Nov and prove your point or get off the BS soapbox.

[icu812]

Wow......you really are clueless to optimizing a set-up, aren't you? These guys are running high 10's @120+ with less hp than our trucks. It's in the converter, gearing, weight, and tuning. You DO NOT have to have 500hp to run 10's, just a properly set-up car. And who's internet racing....the numbers are there plain and simple. I don't understand why you're getting so butthurt over someone whose NA set-up is working so well. Anyone could duplicate it, IF........IF, they had the same weather conditions, track conditions, tuning, and weight reduction required to get there.

Seriously, do you know anything about drag racing? :dunno:

IF........IF,

My grandmother had balls, she'd be my grandfather:cheers1:

[icu812]

Now your starting a shit storm!!:argue2: I know for a fact there are 4 guys here that built their trannies together and they know VERY WELL what they are speaking of and what a converter is and does! I may not but to call someone out like that......OH MY! Joe is correct, too much, way too much talking about DA's, G-Techs and dyno here besides just stating what others have and are running mod wise and track times. Let the proof be in the pudding. No rolling start bullshit, everything from a dig as racing should be. I also wish our trucks weighed 3500.......Would love to deduct 1800lbs for racing!

Raced anyone lately? Did you ever get back to the track?

[M T pockets]

IF........IF,

My grandmother had balls, she'd be my grandfather:cheers1:

thats to funny!

[1fastfamilyman]

You don't need HP to run 10s?? Just a set-up car?? How do YOU know those numbers are even CORRECT??? You DON'T! Believe everything you read? Been abducted by aliens lately? You again have ZERO proof that the times posted are in fact real numbers one and a 2800 lb car can run just a little faster than a 5000 brick, converter or not. Yes, it's in the gear, converter, tuning, WEIGHT, HORSEPOWER, conditions, DRIVER, tires. Like I said believe what you want, tell everyone you or buddies have a 10/11/or 12 second car and go from there. Who cares? Yes, I know a bit about drag racing, thank you very much as I have probably been doing it longer than most of these guys have been alive-unfortunately (yes at the Pro level). Come to Vegas in Nov and prove your point or get off the BS soapbox.



I have seen just about all of those cars run at various LS1Tech events around the country, because yes, I am a drag racer too. I've been around LS1's too long......there's no need to doubt numbers coming from an A4 LSx vehicle with a good converter, sticky tires, good air, and a good track.

Trust me, I'm the last person in this world that would take up for Tony, all I'm saying is that it's very possible to make a bolt-on A4 LSx vehicle run those type of numbers. People have been doing it for years. :cheers1:

[NORCAL SS]

with converter, headers, cat back, electric fans, and tune best ive seen on the stock tires is 13.2@103. drag radials help im sure and also does the da.

i knwo for a fact when i was in vegas in in my f150 that truck felt so much slower than at sea level. Im sure my truck in vegas prob id be luck to run a 13.5

[1fastfamilyman]

with converter, headers, cat back, electric fans, and tune best ive seen on the stock tires is 13.2@103. drag radials help im sure and also does the da.

i knwo for a fact when i was in vegas in in my f150 that truck felt so much slower than at sea level. Im sure my truck in vegas prob id be luck to run a 13.5


right, but keep in mind, Tony has went to a smaller wheel/tire combo, so that means it's lighter, and gives him an even greater gearing advantage off the starting line. It's like he has a 4.56 gear now. I'm sure he's done other weight reduction as well. So couple all that with absolutely perfect weather conditions, and it's easy to see where he could get 107 mph out of the truck. As for the ET, well, that's converter and gearing for ya......his truck is just set up really well.

Don't worry Tony, your truck is a monster. If it's pulling almost 110 in the summer on street tires, just imagine what it will do in cooler weather, on drag radials, and with a smaller pulley!! :biggrin2:

[rrmccabe]

right, but keep in mind, Tony has went to a smaller wheel/tire combo, :biggrin2:


Just on the back. When he pulls to the return lane at the end of the track he looks like a 63 cheby in mexico dragging it :)

Norcal, you get that bitch hooked up as he does and its gonna scare ya.

[1fastfamilyman]

Just on the back. When he pulls to the return lane at the end of the track he looks like a 63 cheby in mexico dragging it :)


.



:rofl:

[Robert W]

Tony:
Those are some great numbers out of a "street monster" which is the key phrase...your trap speed speaks to the big horsepower your putting down.
Ripping the hides off it for the first 1/8 don't help the 60' the 330' or the 1/8 times...
But it sure came back strong...again congrats you did "silver" proud...:coolthumb:

[spddmn]

Raced anyone lately? Did you ever get back to the track?

Hey Joe,
Yeah, raced a SRT4 but he couldn't hook-up was his reasoning for getting beat. Sorry if ya can't hook, not my issue ya know besides we did go from a roll as well and beat him!! Raced a few Mustangs but finding they aren't what we want any more, not much there! We went to a car show today and on the way home, there was a AC Cobra 427 kit car and tried going a little with him but traffic interferred.
We are going to Bandimere this coming weekend the 20th and 22nd for 2 days of racing so........we'll really see how all the mods have or haven't came together. Will do our best as well to post ALL of our time slips!
Just looking forward to meeting whom ever can make it to Vegas once we set the date and all.........if ya have any input, would love to here it since your there and all. But will need your help with the track stuff. You or Steve are the ones who have the connections there right? If ya can, need to know a price for renting if we can for a day when we come so we can let all know what their cost is as well. Thanks Joe for the info in advance

[NORCAL SS]

right, but keep in mind, Tony has went to a smaller wheel/tire combo, so that means it's lighter, and gives him an even greater gearing advantage off the starting line. It's like he has a 4.56 gear now. I'm sure he's done other weight reduction as well. So couple all that with absolutely perfect weather conditions, and it's easy to see where he could get 107 mph out of the truck. As for the ET, well, that's converter and gearing for ya......his truck is just set up really well.

Don't worry Tony, your truck is a monster. If it's pulling almost 110 in the summer on street tires, just imagine what it will do in cooler weather, on drag radials, and with a smaller pulley!! :biggrin2:


i have the same wheels/tires i told tony to get those still when i was on trailvoy lol. They are abotu 50 pounds lighter for both compared to stock and its like your runnin a 4.86 rear end gear. Much more in the power range especailly for me when im going to go thru the trpas. Weight reduction???? i never heard that before i thought he was full weight on his 12.5 run. Ok so thats starting to make sence now. I need to talk to him i would like to do weight reduction if it helps that much for the track.

[icu812]

Hey Joe,
Yeah, raced a SRT4 but he couldn't hook-up was his reasoning for getting beat. Sorry if ya can't hook, not my issue ya know besides we did go from a roll as well and beat him!! Raced a few Mustangs but finding they aren't what we want any more, not much there! We went to a car show today and on the way home, there was a AC Cobra 427 kit car and tried going a little with him but traffic interferred.
We are going to Bandimere this coming weekend the 20th and 22nd for 2 days of racing so........we'll really see how all the mods have or haven't came together. Will do our best as well to post ALL of our time slips!
Just looking forward to meeting whom ever can make it to Vegas once we set the date and all.........if ya have any input, would love to here it since your there and all. But will need your help with the track stuff. You or Steve are the ones who have the connections there right? If ya can, need to know a price for renting if we can for a day when we come so we can let all know what their cost is as well. Thanks Joe for the info in advance


They will no doubt be running Test 'n Tune on Weds nites and Midnite Mayhem on Fridays every week in Nov. As far as "renting" the entire track for entire day, it would depend if have enough people at it usually cost around $3500. Would need a bunch to make that worth while unless you want to sell a few more elbows of purple to cover the cost:muahaha:

Can also try to get Garth at Leading to participate with some cars but you know how that goes. I'm sure we can get some and the weekend may be booked for "renting". If we go that route, we'd better think about it as soon as possible or just go out on Fri or Wed nite.

[spddmn]

Wow......you really are clueless to optimizing a set-up, aren't you? These guys are running high 10's @120+ with less hp than our trucks. It's in the converter, gearing, weight, and tuning. You DO NOT have to have 500hp to run 10's, just a properly set-up car. And who's internet racing....the numbers are there plain and simple. I don't understand why you're getting so butthurt over someone whose NA set-up is working so well. Anyone could duplicate it, IF........IF, they had the same weather conditions, track conditions, tuning, and weight reduction required to get there.

Seriously, do you know anything about drag racing? :dunno:

All I can say is let everyone prove what thier saying they run when we have the get together. I guess then the truth will come out in who knows what about racing, how to build/tune a car.......all will be on a level playing field as well, no DA's will help there! Just be prepared to watch a, "5000lb Brick!" smoke all 4's from the launch:muahaha: That's right Joe(Coach) we heard about ya!

[rrmccabe]

All I can say is let everyone prove what thier saying they run when we have the get together. I guess then the truth will come out in who knows what about racing, how to build/tune a car.......all will be on a level playing field as well, no DA's will help there! Just be prepared to watch a, "5000lb Brick!"

That will be kinda tough to gather guys from the east coast clear to Vegas :)

I am doubting there is too many West coast guys that want to drive clear across the country to see !

Otherwise sounds like a great idea !

[spddmn]

That will be kinda tough to gather guys from the east coast clear to Vegas :)

I am doubting there is too many West coast guys that want to drive clear across the country to see !

Otherwise sounds like a great idea !

Yeah, I know it's far but the best place to locate this meet so far. Just has all the accomodations and fun shit we want to get from a weekend meeting. Sucks, not close ourselves either, still a 12 hr drive as well. Sorry for those that can't but posted a thread before and had no real suggestions of other locations that offered the same.
I did post a thread in, "get togethers," to see who can attend and is willing to commit.....so pls read and respond if ya can!

[JohnnyZ28]

Tony,

You also have to realize that you have a lowered truck. When you lower the vehicle you change the launching characteristics of the vehicle. You lose a lot of weight transfer that help plant the rear wheels.

Also, how much weight did tonygxp really cut from his vehicle? What did he remove?

I plan on running within 3 weeks or so. It's going to suck because I am sure it will be really hot out.

[icu812]

Tony,

You also have to realize that you have a lowered truck. When you lower the vehicle you change the launching characteristics of the vehicle. You lose a lot of weight transfer that help plant the rear wheels.

Also, how much weight did tonygxp really cut from his vehicle? What did he remove?

I plan on running within 3 weeks or so. It's going to suck because I am sure it will be really hot out.

Johnny, bring that maggie out here in Nov and support the SCers!

[Robert W]

Johnny, bring that maggie out here in Nov and support the SCers!

And get one those..."super" tunes...

[NORCAL SS]

Tony,

You also have to realize that you have a lowered truck. When you lower the vehicle you change the launching characteristics of the vehicle. You lose a lot of weight transfer that help plant the rear wheels.

Also, how much weight did tonygxp really cut from his vehicle? What did he remove?

I plan on running within 3 weeks or so. It's going to suck because I am sure it will be really hot out.


Truck was jacked up to about 1 inch lower than stock doestn matter doesnt hook at stock height 1 inch lower or as low as i am now. With the hals adjusted i think it should do better

[PEDRO]

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n191/whitetbss/100_4767.jpg
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n191/whitetbss/th_mybestforthenight12.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n191/whitetbss/?action=view&current=mybestforthenight12.flv)

on stock tires, in +DA,only weight reduction-spare tire gone.

[NORCAL SS]

by seeing peoples 1/8 mile times and mph i should be low 12s allday long with ttraction.

[PEDRO]

Also im upset i wasnt used as an example Like Mike(12.3) and Tony. Or is that a good thing?

[1fastfamilyman]

Also im upset i wasnt used as an example Like Mike(12.3) and Tony. Or is that a good thing?



That's a good thing! :D And also, I completely forgot about your bolt-on times. :blush:

BTW, what were your mods for that 12.63 run?

[rrmccabe]

Pedro I Usually use you as an example, but everyone knows you are a lying cheat !!

ADM poster boy !

I have a copy of Pedros Race tune! Andy sent it to me by mistake. FIVE times :)

Pedro, you admitted your truck runs on Frijoles. We were talkiing NA not FA

[NORCAL SS]

yah i have to stop lookin at e/t and checking 1/8 mile time and trap speed also

[SuperSS27]

Who care what someone else runs 3k miles away. Your times are great. Its not worth comparing them to someone who was running in the winter to you running in the summer.

[Robert W]

yah i have to stop lookin at e/t and checking 1/8 mile time and trap speed also

Exactly...:coolthumb:

[PEDRO]

That's a good thing! :D And also, I completely forgot about your bolt-on times. :blush:

BTW, what were your mods for that 12.63 run?


tune,cai,ud pulleys,headers,efans,3600 stall

[PEDRO]

Pedro I Usually use you as an example, but everyone knows you are a lying cheat !!


Its cause im mexican.:fu:

[rrmccabe]

Its cause im mexican.:fu:

haha you fuckhead !

Well if it makes you feal any better you are my favorite beaner !!

:burp: < Those are Corona's !

[tonygxp]

oh my fucking GOD norcal..... what the hell is going on in here lol..

trust me if i sprayed my truck it would be in the 11's.. why is or was it only .3 slower than Matt's turboed truck??? gee i don't know? maybe because his converter was WRONG and besides it was running out of fuel in third gear at the 1000' mark it was 110 and through the traps it was 110??
DA' was in the mid 1500's when i ran 12.5's (not once but 5x in one day, with plenty of friend's and foes to back it).. and went back a week later when the DA was only -500' on STOCK tires and ran 12.69 @106 with a 1.80 60'.. as the day progressed the 60' got better but the truck slowed to a 12.80 @105 (almost + side of DA' by 1pm)

the vigilante i have is a solid 3200 (not loose at all like others have had for some reason, maybe Jack at PI KNEW after he sent me the wrong friggin converter for the second time it better be on target?? IDK?) it picked me up .41 & 2mph (locks in high gear unlike ALL the competition, has triple disc TCC
)..
as for all the guys in the fucked up areas in the country with 3000'DA's and shit.. not my fault you live there, move....

Norcal like i said in response to your PM's get the 60' down and your truck will be close to a 12.0, true power is in the mph, which you have plenty of...


Pedro that is some funny shit, first you got caught sprayin, now it's my turn!!! LOL

[LEADING EDGE]

:popcorn3::popcorn3:

I love it!!!!:coolthumb::rofl:

[JohnnyZ28]

Johnny, bring that maggie out here in Nov and support the SCers!

Heh, we'll see. It's a long ass drive that's for sure!

[rrmccabe]

Hey Tony

:biteme:


Just kidding.


Rich

[PEDRO]

Pedro that is some funny shit, first you got caught sprayin, now it's my turn!!! LOL

I hear u also run with NO interior.

[tonygxp]

oh yeah, i forgot about that lol... no interior just my leather seats, power & heated in the front btw, well i guess the moonroof is glass and that weighs less than metal? oh no weight... that's right moonroof vehicles are heavier aren't they? my "weight reduction" consists of 1/3 tank of fuel and no spare/jack..that's it.. considering i weigh 210lbs I'm far from "optimizing" the weight reduction don't you think? I know a 125lbs "car jockey" that drove a friend's TBSS (he weighs 300lbs) and dropped him almost .2, maybe i'll have him drive mine lol... stock i was running 13.49-13.55 @102+ w/2.0 60' ..now i run 12.5's @107 w/1.67 60' with my mods that sounds unreasonable to some?? yeah those who haven't been there from the begining, notice those are the only ones who question the times of Mike Smith, Pedro and myself?? i can link threads showing the track times, dynos piece by piece and you would put together a chain of improvements w/o question that leads to my 12.54 @107... biggest improvement being the Vig (.4 & only 1.5mph).. look at JohnnyZ28, stock he went almost a full second slower. but S/C he picked up 9+mph..that's HP... a properly built (not too much of one thing or the other) will always run more consistent and provide it's owner with respectable gains.. i was careful not to go crazy and throw parts at my truck, a decision i am very happy i stuck to.. good luck..

[PEDRO]

oh yeah, i forgot about that lol... no interior just my leather seats, power & heated in the front btw, well i guess the moonroof is glass and that weighs less than metal? oh no weight... that's right moonroof vehicles are heavier aren't they? my "weight reduction" consists of 1/3 tank of fuel and no spare/jack..that's it.. considering i weigh 210lbs I'm far from "optimizing" the weight reduction don't you think? ..


smae here but i wieghed in at 230 in my runs. I have a little buddy that im gona let run my truck here soon to see how much my my times drop,lol. Tony, dont let it get to u, i take it as compliment.:cheers1:

[Skiba]

Norcal SS - MPH is the HP indicator for the most part. If you could cut 1.6 60 fts you'd be very happy with you ET. You ran 109mph, that is a huge difference from a bolt-on truck that is optimized that run's even 105-107mph!!! Also remember that you slapped on the nice heavy weight of the maggie on the NOSE of the truck and up high. The last place you want to add weight to on any vehicle. While my no converter bolton SS runs 13.13@105.25MPH in 700' DA with a 1.987 60', I have reduced weight and my raceweight is ~4550+lb's. Like Tony, I'm a heavy weight myself at 235lbs so I could of probably gotten into the 12's that night by just having a lightweight driver drive the truck (or taking off my sport tubes). What's your raceweight Norcal??? Weight make a HUGE difference as well as DA! I believe TonyGXP because we are able to reproduce his trucks results locally. While we haven't run his times yet, we haven't had the benefit of negative 2000 or more DA weather here either. Although, correction allows us to see that we are on track or better. I know a few guys off this board have been to the track when both BalistikSS and I were there running times. Anyone at anytime could look all they want at the trucks if they had any doubt.

So why aren't more bolton TBSS's running better? Weight... tuning... driver skill and most owners will not do the little things that all add up quickly... Most guys slap on a bunch of parts, get a canned tune and call it a day.

Oh, and if there is any doubt left, there are timeslips, videos, people off this board and even EFILive logs.

Norcal SS your making power... now if you only ran 105mph or 84mph in the 1/8th then I'd be worried, but I'm willing to bet that your raceweight is a at least a couple hundred pounds more than us "lightweight" trucks and your still 4mph+ in worse conditions. Get them 60's down and good luck!:cheers1:

[MyGoatBites]

Its cause im mexican.:fu:

What does that have to do with anything? Did you have a bunch of stolen shit in the back and the car you were running was a highway patrol car?


Kidding!

[MyGoatBites]

Norcal......I didnt see anyone say this but, .4 tenths in the 60 foot on a forced induction car is close to a full second at the end of the track. Drag radials and and some good prep and I think you could tip into the 11's

[tonygxp]

then you missed my posts on the other page...

[MyGoatBites]

then you missed my posts on the other page...

Sorry Tony, I guess I missed it

[rrmccabe]

Sorry Tony, I guess I missed it

Tony is easy to miss. Well except for the gun and handcuffs

:rofl:

[SSUV2NV]

-2900 DA Yeah I had it and used it to my advantage!!!

1.63 60' didn't hurt either!!:boff:

[PEDRO]

-2900 DA Yeah I had it and used it to my advantage!!!

1.63 60' didn't hurt either!!:boff:

Tell em MIKE

[Silver06SS]

All you guys comparing times and DA and such....comparing times with 2 different DAs is like comparing 2 dynos with STD #'s in different parts of the country without correcting them to SAE first. I dynoed my truck in -DA and it dynoed 359rwhp with a 3200 Yank which may have been a mid to high 12 slip...correct that and it's ONLY 329rwhp, but I can run better times than those that dyno 350rwhp SAE because of the converter. -DA is really dense cool air...which is VERY good for a car. +DA is hot humid air...NOT good. Take Tony's -1500DA and make it +1500 and he may not break into the 12s at all. You can't compare times without correcting them to 0DA.

[Balistikss]

Man, all this doubt from all of you FI guys. LOL. Norcal my truck really did go 12.84@104.96 Yes i did 60ft a 1.77 on stock tires rolling into the throttle, at 22psi. I will post up some time slips for you, and also if i get them from nipeater i will post my 12.8 run videos. Also for you guys bitching about DA, my Da was right around +1900-+2000 all night and went consistent 12.8's I havent even corrected that out yet..... I dont know why i am beating all of these cam'd, heads, and headers trucks either, but i am.... here are two examples of ones ive raced.

http://www.tbssowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1109

http://forums.trailvoy.com/showthread.php?t=27525

Best part is, my tune isnt even done, and im not on the dr's with 17 in wheels like you and tonygxp are, Next time out with the finished tune, and ill borrow the same wheel and tire combo you are running from ohnoitsa60, and we will see where im at then. I cant wait for fall like everyone else, to put down even better times

Oh and im down for meeting anyone at the track.... Id love to line up against a maggied truck.

[Balistikss]

Oh ya, total spent on all mods so far $4300 and thats including the stall and rpm level 5 trans.

[Balistikss]

You know how good your truck runs on boost with the maggie and so does Joe and so do Steve and I. How stange that a many with just a few bolt ons will "apparently" out run you at even "worse" DA's. Incredible. I wonder how that is?????????? Any ideas??????????????? Doesn't make much sense, does it????????? I guarantee a stock TBSS with only bolt ons would not have a prayer against an equally modded TB with a well tuned maggie. That's a fact, Jack!!!!!!!!

Dont know where you live, or what your deal is, but you are more than welcome to come out to the track with me and ill put some 12's on paper for you.

[rrmccabe]

Oh ya, total spent on all mods so far $4300 and thats including the stall and rpm level 5 trans.


With a level 5 trans? You got ripped off.

They sell electric blowers on ebay for under $100. What were you thinking !!

[Balistikss]

With a level 5 trans? You got ripped off.

They sell electric blowers on ebay for under $100. What were you thinking !!

lol i know i got screwed:boff:

[1fastfamilyman]

With a level 5 trans? You got ripped off.

They sell electric blowers on ebay for under $100. What were you thinking !!



I just got my 3600 converter, and I have $100 left over, could I please have a link to that blower? :rofl:

[rrmccabe]

I just got my 3600 converter, and I have $100 left over, could I please have a link to that blower? :rofl:

I kid you not. I saw this 12volt blower promising BIG gains :)

Get the stall in. What are you waiting for !

You are doing servos too? Is your cooler in yet?

[1fastfamilyman]

I kid you not. I saw this 12volt blower promising BIG gains :)

Get the stall in. What are you waiting for !

You are doing servos too? Is your cooler in yet?


The cooler should be here in a day or two, hopefully, as well as the servos, then it's on like Donkey Kong. :D

[rrmccabe]

The cooler should be here in a day or two, hopefully, as well as the servos, then it's on like Donkey Kong. :D

Cool. Did you do the Alvin cooler or something else?

My trans parts shipped today from Phoenix. Have not heard from the Z-Pak seller on Ebay. Better follow up as I paid him as soon as I bought.

Yank stall and TCI pan is sitting her waiting on their "friends" to come in.

So soon at thats done, off to the trans shop.

[1fastfamilyman]

I got the "Alvin" cooler. :)

[rrmccabe]

I got the "Alvin" cooler. :)

Good move. I really like mine. Alvin makes a nice cooler.

I also have another long cooler I bought and never used. I need to mark it down and sell it cheep. Sitting in my office in the box.

[1fastfamilyman]

I just bought a case of the Dexron VI tranny fluid. the cheapest place I could find it was on a Gran Prix performance website I use for my GP. They were cheaper than GMPartsDirect, and also cheaper than my hook-up at the local chevy dealer.

It's like $72 shipped.

http://www.zzperformance.com/grand_prix/products1.php?id=607&catid=105

[tonygxp]

Best part is, my tune isnt even done, and im not on the dr's with 17 in wheels like you and tonygxp are


sorry chief... ran 12.69 @106 on stock tires w/1.80 60' (in near 0'DA, those DR's helped, at most a .15)..

[PEDRO]

sorry chief... ran 12.69 @106 on stock tires w/1.80 60' (in near 0'DA, those DR's helped, at most a .15)..

got u by .06... i need DR's now, no hookin for me anymore.

[Balistikss]

sorry chief... ran 12.69 @106 on stock tires w/1.80 60' (in near 0'DA, those DR's helped, at most a .15)..

Ya, so all i need to do is drop a just over a .10 and i will be where you are but we are in +1900-+2000DA usually when i run, not 0da.

[Ohnoitsa60]

Cant wait for the day we get a near 0 da that would be real nice......

[icu812]

Dont know where you live, or what your deal is, but you are more than welcome to come out to the track with me and ill put some 12's on paper for you.

Unfortunately I live in Vegas but you are certainly welcome to come out and have some fun in Nov for the Mini-Meet at LV Speedway. We could put all the "talking" to rest. I know it's a long way but people from all over the country visit Sin City (driving) and besides, we need your money for more hotels:biggrin2:

[Balistikss]

Unfortunately I live in Vegas but you are certainly welcome to come out and have some fun in Nov for the Mini-Meet at LV Speedway. We could put all the "talking" to rest. I know it's a long way but people from all over the country visit Sin City (driving) and besides, we need your money for more hotels:biggrin2:

You guys all doubt me, but then i have to drive all the way across the country to race someone to prove what i run hahaha thats funny. why dont you come out here. Doesnt anyone in illinois have a maggie? There has to be someone....

[MyGoatBites]

I got one pass on my new maggie last night. Completely stock (stock maggie tune) with a maggie and efans....13.35 @ 103. The weather wasn't great and by the time I idled through the lanes (about 100 cars in front of me) The IAT's were in the 140+ range and I only saw 13 degrees of timing. It should take 20/21 degrees with some tuning. I would guess it is probably about 100 horsepower left on the table with the timing being so low. There was a stock TBSS out there that went 14.9 which just gives you an indication of how bad the weather was. 430+ rwhp trucks struggled to break into the 12's. I didn't launch the truck hard, I was a little tenative since it was the first run. 2.0 60' and 8.5 in the 1/8th mile. It really felt pretty sluggish. I lined up next to Pedro who ran 12.7 with a 1.7 60' on Pat's DR's. I was honestly disappointed until I saw the log from the run. I think with a trans/converter it will probably 1.5/1.6 60' foot and take a full second off the 1/4 mile time. I would also guess that 7/8 degrees more timing would take another .3 tenths off so ultimately I think I can get in the 11's with a little tuning, a trans & converter, and some cooling upgrades.

[rrmccabe]

The IAT's were in the 140+ range and I only saw 13 degrees of timing.

I know how that feels. My NUMBER 1 goal with my truck is cold air. I have chased my tail doing other expensive stuff and I know that if I can make it suck something besides the underhood air air that is getting into the air back and from soak, I will have a solid pick up.

Congrats on your first run. Good start. Course Pedro is gonna be talking shit.

[MyGoatBites]

I am not gona sweat it. We all had a good time and the truck was gona run whatever it was gona run in my mind. As long as nobody broke anything it was a good trip out. I have to work on getting a trans/converter which will make more of a total impact in the times than just about anything else I could do. I will probably make another pass somewhere in october unless it gets a lot cooler a lot sooner

[Ultimate Fighter]

so you guys know.

street tires and about 5.5 to 6 psi boost, babying it off the line. Now before anyone says oh 12.7 weak umm look at the trap speed and the 60 foot time and that tells the rest of the story. the mph is easy low 12s just 60 foot is killing me. you guys know that going from a 2.1 60 foot to a 1.8 will bring it down about 5 to 6 tenths. So yes i need the drag rads back on the truck. First pass was pathetic 13.2@105 2.48 60 foot time.. only had 2 rounds

now i looked at a few peoples times here. 12.5@105 with drag radials which im trapping a lot more than that and matt from tune time ran a 12.2@110 on his turbo awd set up and i think his 60 foot times were in the 1.7s if im not mistaken so yes mph is there just getting it down to the floor is a problem. So overall on 5.5 to 6 psi ie 2.9 pulley im very happy. im going to switch to a 2.8 very soon.


MODS
MAGGIE with 2.9 Pulley
Tune By Supercoolin
Custom 4 inch intake
LS7 TB
160 degree thermo
Ls1 Fans
Stainless works long tubes
Custom 3 Inch true duals
TR6 plugs gapped at .035
Granatelli Motorsports Wires

AND MAIN THING IS THAT ITS VERY STREETABLE 2.8 should work fine (at sea level here guys hehehhe) 2.8 on race gas will be fun to see what happens.


http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/NORCALSTI/12sec.jpg


Well , I just talked to a guy that has his 06 TBSS AWD with a Supercharger on it and he has ran it several times today and his times are 13.35 to 13.40
at 101.9 mph. he ran it with the 2.9 and a 2.8 pulley and the best was with the 2.8 pulley at 13.35. his best 60' is 1.97 ! His mods are true duals, LS7 TB,
and a level V trans with a shift kit ! What do you guy's think ? He ran at the track about 30miles south of rockford Illinios (outside of Chicago ) temps were 75 degrees and about a 4mph tail wind very low humidity !

[MyGoatBites]

well it was around 80 out with about 85% humidity last night where I ran. I ran with a 3.2 pulley in my AWD. It held 13 degrees of timing because of the high IAT's. I saw 145+ IAT's during the run. The problem with the maggie trucks (if there is a problem) is that idling through the staging lanes heat soaks the truck like crazy. And the guy with a built trans needs a converter, a built trans is useless unless you take out the torque management and add a converter (other than not breaking it of course)

[PEDRO]

Congrats on your first run. Good start. Course Pedro is gonna be talking shit.


Y would i talk shit?? Yes its nice to beat a maggie....:bum:

We all went to have fun, everyone that night was so helpful in helping. I helped brian push his HEAVY AWD thru the stagin lanes, we all wanted everyone to run great with no problems. o and rich :fu:

[MyGoatBites]

Y would i talk shit?? Yes its nice to beat a maggie....:bum:

We all went to have fun, everyone that night was so helpful in helping. I helped brian push his HEAVY AWD thru the stagin lanes, we all wanted everyone to run great with no problems. o and rich :fu:

Yah, without pedro helping push I would have had iat's at 160+

We were all having fun, if there weren't so many folks out there I wouldn't have run my truck. I haven't even tuned it yet. Just the stock torque management and the stock maggie tune

[Left Coast '32]

I was up in Redlands today for a tech session with the SSR's and was doing some tuning. We were seeing IAT's of over 150 on the N/A SSR's and 160 on the MagnaCharged SSR's. While doing tuning I took one guy out to prove how much the high IAT's can make. We took off at 150 and he couldn't bark a 2nd gear shift. Then we drove around till his IAT's were 106 and it would flat lay rubber on a 2nd gear shift. It is over 10 degrees of timing between the the temps and a lot of power.

When the lines get long for staging I just give up as the heat soak while idling up there is tremendous.

[shreveportSS]

Fuck...I feel like a thief running 13.0-13.1 with only E-fans, tune, UD pulley, and some of that good old Louisiana air. :dunno: Maybe I should get a maggie and run 13.3s. :rofl: You can bet your ass if I had a maggie, I would hit high 11s with Drs.

[MyGoatBites]

Fuck...I feel like a thief running 13.0-13.1 with only E-fans, tune, UD pulley, and some of that good old Louisiana air. :dunno: Maybe I should get a maggie and run 13.3s. :rofl: You can bet your ass if I had a maggie, I would hit high 11s with Drs.

Not without a converter, built trans, and some other peripheral stuff. The potiential is deffinitely there with the maggie. NA cars will run better year round.....but when the temps come down you are going to see some maggie trucks get fast real quick. DA is everything with these trucks.

[Left Coast '32]

Not without a converter, built trans, and some other peripheral stuff. The potiential is deffinitely there with the maggie. NA cars will run better year round.....but when the temps come down you are going to see some maggie trucks get fast real quick. DA is everything with these trucks.

The lower temps in the winter will make for some real fast MagnaCharged Trucks. Anytime Forced Induction is added you get the heat from compressing the intake air. I can't wait till the winter time here to go out to the 1/4 and run the Whale Blazer. All the 1/4's around here are 2-3 hours away and in the desert?????

[rrmccabe]

You know, I was thinking a Maggie was probably my next step.

But I am at my limit for finicky DA as it is with NA :)

[Left Coast '32]

It is easy to get away from the problem with IAT's with a simple Meth Kit for the track. The upside to a simple Meth kit is the octane boost you get while running it at the track too. There are guys running the Meth that claim around 40 degrees drop in IAT while running it. This will take care of the heat real quick.

The heat isn't a problem on the street as you dont have to wait in line for so long to get up to the burn-out box.

[JohnnyZ28]

I got one pass on my new maggie last night. Completely stock (stock maggie tune) with a maggie and efans....13.35 @ 103. The weather wasn't great and by the time I idled through the lanes (about 100 cars in front of me) The IAT's were in the 140+ range and I only saw 13 degrees of timing. It should take 20/21 degrees with some tuning. I would guess it is probably about 100 horsepower left on the table with the timing being so low. There was a stock TBSS out there that went 14.9 which just gives you an indication of how bad the weather was. 430+ rwhp trucks struggled to break into the 12's. I didn't launch the truck hard, I was a little tenative since it was the first run. 2.0 60' and 8.5 in the 1/8th mile. It really felt pretty sluggish. I lined up next to Pedro who ran 12.7 with a 1.7 60' on Pat's DR's. I was honestly disappointed until I saw the log from the run. I think with a trans/converter it will probably 1.5/1.6 60' foot and take a full second off the 1/4 mile time. I would also guess that 7/8 degrees more timing would take another .3 tenths off so ultimately I think I can get in the 11's with a little tuning, a trans & converter, and some cooling upgrades.

This is the same thing that I ran into. :)

I was running 100% stock plus the Maggie... you even had e-fans and I didn't. I ran at the end of September or early October and ran my 13.02@106.74. The temp was cool and the wind was calm. I picked up a full second and 9mph by adding the Maggie.

[JohnnyZ28]

You know, I was thinking a Maggie was probably my next step.

But I am at my limit for finicky DA as it is with NA :)

I will let you know when I run my truck. I will let you take it for a spin and you can decide whether or not it is worth it.

Most people are still running the stock Maggie tune and very rarely do people even have supporting modifications. Look at me, I could still use an intake, headers, exhaust, and an e-fan setup!

[MyGoatBites]

This is the same thing that I ran into. :)

I was running 100% stock plus the Maggie... you even had e-fans and I didn't. I ran at the end of September or early October and ran my 13.02@106.74. The temp was cool and the wind was calm. I picked up a full second and 9mph by adding the Maggie.

Well it was about 77 out and 40% humidity. The longer it takes to get to the front of the line and stage the more we sit there and heat soak. That part really sucks. I have a solution to that problem coming soon and all the maggie guys are going to want one....trust me :)

[Westbayou]

Man this is the best timeslip thread I have read in a long time. Nice to see people posting up real world time slips for once. I too am REAL skeptical of anyone claiming a tune and e-fans is getting them a 12-second timeslip.:jackoff:

[NORCAL SS]

Man this is the best timeslip thread I have read in a long time. Nice to see people posting up real world time slips for once. I too am REAL skeptical of anyone claiming a tune and e-fans is getting them a 12-second timeslip.:jackoff:

thanks man. trap speed says it all.

[Skiba]

Man this is the best timeslip thread I have read in a long time. Nice to see people posting up real world time slips for once. I too am REAL skeptical of anyone claiming a tune and e-fans is getting them a 12-second timeslip.:jackoff: It takes a little bit more than that such as near 0 DA weather, a GOOD TIRE and some weight reduction aside from the boltons, but aside from that what do you need as proof? :cheers1: Are you going to be able to do it with those boltons and a 5000lbs+ raceweight AWD??? Probably not but don't discount the lighweight 2WD guys. :biggrin2:

Norcal - Like my new sig? :cheers1: just messin with ya... :biggrin2:
____________________
Im NOT Blown, Lowered, and ALSO Have Clear Euros (i know the Clear Euros part hurts the most)
13.1@105.25----- 13.03@106 corrected 1.98 60 foot time

[NORCAL SS]

after seeing other sigs with corrected times had to do it lol but street racing everyweekend still say runs high 12s

[T-Mac]

Man this is the best timeslip thread I have read in a long time. Nice to see people posting up real world time slips for once. I too am REAL skeptical of anyone claiming a tune and e-fans is getting them a 12-second timeslip.:jackoff:
I agree. I finally got the maggie on and e-fan installed. Driving around town when the thermo first opens up, she runs like a raped smiley. :boff: 1500 rpm brake stalls make my stomach a little queezy. I'm thinking when I get to the track I'll be looking high 12's in the face. But, 45 min. drive to the track, let it cool down for half an hour, sit in staging for what seems like ever, then run a 13.34 @101.9 mph. Go to raise the hood and the latch was hot enough to burn my fingers if I held on long enough. Disappointed? Hell yea, but I know it will run faster with no heat soak. There are a multitude of variables that affect track times. People need to take that into consideration.

[Skiba]

T-Mac that is why I would personally lean to a good head/cam combo if I was looking for only 430rwhp or so. You don't pay the weight penality of the maggie and less of an issue with heat. Although, the sound of a blower.... ahhhh

[Balistikss]

But, 45 min. drive to the track, let it cool down for half an hour, sit in staging for what seems like ever, then run a 13.34 @101.9 mph

i Dont understand these times, i went 13.4@102.1 with only intake, ud pulley and, corsa cat-back. NO TUNING! NO MAGGIE!
Like +1200 DA

[rrmccabe]

i Dont understand these times, i went 13.4@102.1 with only intake, ud pulley and, corsa cat-back. NO TUNING! NO MAGGIE!
Like +1200 DA

You are one of the few. That is not the "norm" for those mods.

[Ultimate Fighter]

T-Mac that is why I would personally lean to a good head/cam combo if I was looking for only 430rwhp or so. You don't pay the weight penality of the maggie and less of an issue with heat. Although, the sound of a blower.... ahhhh

It looks like a AWD stock runs about 14.50 , with a tune it runs a 13.75 and with a maggie it runs a 13.35.. I think the tunes are better than what people think they are ! Would a blower cam be a good way to compliment the Supercharger ?

[Balistikss]

You are one of the few. That is not the "norm" for those mods.

Im going to say its because of amazing driving...... J/K I actually dont tell many people this, but i cut out the floor under the gas pedal so it will go down further. Good for a 1/2 second and 5 mph in the quarter. :biggrin2:

[Balistikss]

It looks like a AWD stock runs about 14.50 , with a tune it runs a 13.75 and with a maggie it runs a 13.35.. I think the tunes are better than what people think they are ! Would a blower cam be a good way to compliment the Supercharger ?

Good god, what tune drops you by .75 of a second in the quarter?

[Skiba]

Good god, what tune drops you by .75 of a second in the quarter?

Wrong question... I want to see the MPH difference.

[NORCAL SS]

awd sucks a lot more power to move than 2wd just like the sti wrxs. With a nice 3000 stall and awd im sure the maggie would drop more than 1/2 second easy. hell with my 2800 stall felt like the truck was a lot more alive.

ill be str8 up with people long tubes and true duals is one thing that really wakes up the maggie. Stock headers/stock y pipe with a aftermarket cat back set up wont do much.

[spddmn]

awd sucks a lot more power to move than 2wd just like the sti wrxs. With a nice 3000 stall and awd im sure the maggie would drop more than 1/2 second easy. hell with my 2800 stall felt like the truck was a lot more alive.

ill be str8 up with people long tubes and true duals is one thing that really wakes up the maggie. Stock headers/stock y pipe with a aftermarket cat back set up wont do much.

Well Tony, will let ya know just how much a time diff. there will be here after the 6th of Aug. Getting the same set up as Joe. Driving to Gregs' to have the install and build completed! :dunno:

Okay, gonna say it straight out. Tired of hearing who's dick is bigger..........we will be in Texas at Phoenix Transmissions the 6th and 7th for our build and install. So for our piece of mind, we would like to get one of these, " Bolt on only....no NOS spraying TBSS's," and have a run at it! Mind you, we are AWD as well, so have that extra weight on top of the extra from the maggie that all claim is soooooo BAD! Since no one seems to want or ABLE to make it to Vegas, heres the chance to run what is the HUGE topic of discussionon here of late, maggie -vs- bolt-ons. So please, any interested let us know so we can, "Run them from a dig," when we are there. If there are more then one, so be it. Like someone here said, I will run it with a grandma if she revs on me! Oh yeah, we might want to run these at a track where we can have our trucks ran through tech so there will be no questions of, " To spray, or not to spray!" on these 12 to 13 sec bolt on trucks! Who's gonna be my Huckleberry???

[icu812]

Well Tony, will let ya know just how much a time diff. there will be here after the 6th of Aug. Getting the same set up as Joe. Driving to Gregs' to have the install and build completed! :dunno:

Okay, gonna say it straight out. Tired of hearing who's dick is bigger..........we will be in Texas at Phoenix Transmissions the 6th and 7th for our build and install. So for our piece of mind, we would like to get one of these, " Bolt on only....no NOS spraying TBSS's," and have a run at it! Mind you, we are AWD as well, so have that extra weight on top of the extra from the maggie that all claim is soooooo BAD! Since no one seems to want or ABLE to make it to Vegas, heres the chance to run what is the HUGE topic of discussionon here of late, maggie -vs- bolt-ons. So please, any interested let us know so we can, "Run them from a dig," when we are there. If there are more then one, so be it. Like someone here said, I will run it with a grandma if she revs on me! Oh yeah, we might want to run these at a track where we can have our trucks ran through tech so there will be no questions of, " To spray, or not to spray!" on these 12 to 13 sec bolt on trucks! Who's gonna be my Huckleberry???

mark

[Balistikss]

Well Tony, will let ya know just how much a time diff. there will be here after the 6th of Aug. Getting the same set up as Joe. Driving to Gregs' to have the install and build completed! :dunno:

Okay, gonna say it straight out. Tired of hearing who's dick is bigger..........we will be in Texas at Phoenix Transmissions the 6th and 7th for our build and install. So for our piece of mind, we would like to get one of these, " Bolt on only....no NOS spraying TBSS's," and have a run at it! Mind you, we are AWD as well, so have that extra weight on top of the extra from the maggie that all claim is soooooo BAD! Since no one seems to want or ABLE to make it to Vegas, heres the chance to run what is the HUGE topic of discussionon here of late, maggie -vs- bolt-ons. So please, any interested let us know so we can, "Run them from a dig," when we are there. If there are more then one, so be it. Like someone here said, I will run it with a grandma if she revs on me! Oh yeah, we might want to run these at a track where we can have our trucks ran through tech so there will be no questions of, " To spray, or not to spray!" on these 12 to 13 sec bolt on trucks! Who's gonna be my Huckleberry???

TEXAS= too damn far away....

[spddmn]

:rofl:=Balistikss;26287]TEXAS= too damn far away....[/QUOTE]

:rofl:I think next door would be too far away!

[JohnnyZ28]

after seeing other sigs with corrected times had to do it lol but street racing everyweekend still say runs high 12s

There is a big difference between the street and the strip. Not a good comparisson.

[JohnnyZ28]

awd sucks a lot more power to move than 2wd just like the sti wrxs. With a nice 3000 stall and awd im sure the maggie would drop more than 1/2 second easy. hell with my 2800 stall felt like the truck was a lot more alive.

ill be str8 up with people long tubes and true duals is one thing that really wakes up the maggie. Stock headers/stock y pipe with a aftermarket cat back set up wont do much.

I'm workin' on it.

I am unemployed so it may take some time. :o

[rrmccabe]

Sounds like a good job for Pedro.

[Skiba]

:rofl:

What I find freaking :rofl: is that you guys still can't understand how a bolt-on lightweight 2WD TBSS can run low 13's /12's with good MPH without nitrous! Good God, how many times do I have to tell you guys that the fast bolt-on trucks are usually pulling weight. You guys are ADDING weight. HUGE difference! The formula is simple... less weight, good combination of boltons and finely tuned = good ET and MPH. If you are doing... stock weight + more weight from blower + stereo equipment + whatever other weight = WTF do you expect, it'll be quick but still a quick pig unless you go all out with the blower. Now put a blower on one of these lightweight bolton trucks and see what happens... you'd be all smiles!

Did you ever wonder why a 300 SRT8 with 4200lbs with 370rwhp can run 108-109mph traps while a 4400lbs lightweight TBSS only runs 105-106 traps despite probably having 370rwhp also? You really think WEIGHT is that insignificant? :rofl:

Besides we have enough local guys that are on this board that have seen some of the local quick lightweight TBSS run and had plenty of time to examine them to tell you what a good combo lightweight TBSS can run.

I'm not a nitrous person and anyone that knows me knows this so I find these accusations :rofl: as hell. I've been around LSx motors since they came out so it's funny how it's just another different LSx forum with the buyaneers calling BS on stuff they don't do themselves or understand. AWESOME.

Some of you guys need to start doing chit for yourselves before you start saying stuff about others. :cheers1:

What's funny is that if I ONLY ran 105-106mph with a 2wd bolton lightweight TBSS WITH nitrous, even a small 25-50hp hit, I would have to drive my truck off of a cliff for being pathetic.

It'll be interesting to see how long the BS line is when I run a 12 second slip in positive DA weather with a crappy 60' with just a 2wd lightweight bolton truck with NO CONVERTER, NO CAM, NO HEADS, NO NITROUS and hopefully my crappy Toyo street tires but less weight. So, who's getting in line to call BS, raise your hands now.

I love this forum, you guys are so much fun! Do a search for my posts on trailvoy.com and you can yourself duplicate the combination if you want and see the history of the truck.

[Skiba]

Wait, I'll rub it in further. ;) My TCM is untouched STOCK never tuned it however I run NO shift management (PCM) and the trans is STOCK with 18K on it (still has the original fluid in it as of today). Did I mention less weight also helps to save parts?

[JohnnyZ28]

Wait, I'll rub it in further. ;) My TCM is untouched STOCK never tuned it however I run NO shift management (PCM) and the trans is STOCK with 18K on it (still has the original fluid in it as of today). Did I mention less weight also helps to save parts?

Congrats on having a fast truck in good weather. It's not the norm. There are very few bolt-on trucks running 12s.

Myself, I won't go back to the track until I have more supporting mods. I know for a fact I will get a 12 second timeslip with just a blower and a stall. It should be deep into the 12s if not 11s with e-fan, intake, headers, exhaust, etc.

[Balistikss]

Congrats on having a fast truck in good weather. It's not the norm. There are very few bolt-on trucks running 12s.



Seems like there are a few of us here in the same area running good times in +DA with bolt on trucks.....

[Skiba]

Congrats on having a fast truck in good weather. It's not the norm. There are very few bolt-on trucks running 12s.

Myself, I won't go back to the track until I have more supporting mods. I know for a fact I will get a 12 second timeslip with just a blower and a stall. It should be deep into the 12s if not 11s with e-fan, intake, headers, exhaust, etc.

You blower guys will benefit from the cold quite a bit and then we'll see some impressive times for sure. No denying that. Just look at the MPH in the heat by some of the maggie guys! I just can't understand all the BS calls on the bolton lightweight 2wd TBSS's. It's an easily reproducible combination if you can tool on your own vehicle and spend a little time.

[Balistikss]

:rofl:=Balistikss;26287]TEXAS= too damn far away....

:rofl:I think next door would be too far away![/QUOTE]

Ummm, you guys really expect me to drive to texas? All because you think the few of us here in illinois are all lying about going 12's with boltons. Give me a break!

[TrailLaser]

:rofl:I think next door would be too far away!

Ummm, you guys really expect me to drive to texas? All because you think the few of us here in illinois are all lying about going 12's with boltons. Give me a break![/QUOTE]

Yes, he he he... The texas heat/humidity will bring that time up just a little.. lol

[MyGoatBites]

Well when 430+ rwhp truck can only run 12.7's at best I would say weather has a little to do with things here in Texas.

[Skiba]

Obviously you guys don't pay attention to the heat we get here and the humidity. LOLs

But yes, heat will obviously kill (moreso blown than NA). THat's why we post when we run, DA's, timeslips, logs, etc.. etc.. LOLs

Since the weather is so much better here, I say all the Texas guys come up here and we run. :cheers1:

[Skiba]

Well when 430+ rwhp truck can only run 12.7's at best I would say weather has a little to do with things here in Texas.

You of all people know that big dyno #'s don't always equal good ET. LOTS AND LOTS of dyno queens out there with horrible combinations that run ablsolutely worthless.

[NORCAL SS]

There is a big difference between the street and the strip. Not a good comparisson.


i race high 12 second cars and i beat them. Best runs is with low 12 second cars (which will be doing again this weekend). As you saw that video vs my buddys wrx off the line sucked but now with 275 40 17 drag rads hooking is no problem. now to take off torque managment and all that good stuff truck should rip.

I drove to the track it was 80 degrees out and cool down time was not long at all and ran great. i really feel with the maggie exhaust is a big killer on these trucks thats why I did my entire exhaust before i got the blower on.

THere is a awd guy out here that has a maggie with the 2.9 pulley no other mods at all. Stock maggie tune and bone stock ran a 14.48 now with the maggie on it ran a 13.03@103. He dropped off 1.5 seconds allmost and totally streetable and this guy is the one i did the coilovers on that drives over 130 miles a day to work and back home. Currently has over 15000 miles with the blower on and only thing i did for him was change to a new goodyear belt. Im sure when he gets a stall truck should run 12s and main thing its held up fine.

Blown or NA get a stall on these trucks and watch the difference.

[Balistikss]

Well when 430+ rwhp truck can only run 12.7's at best I would say weather has a little to do with things here in Texas.

There was a 430+rwhp truck out here running 13's same day i was 12's.... I dont know what to tell you

[NORCAL SS]

There was a 430+rwhp truck out here running 13's same day i was 12's.... I dont know what to tell you


hey balistic can you post your best timeslip id like to compare 1/8 miles times and some other things.

[Balistikss]

hey balistic can you post your best timeslip id like to compare 1/8 miles times and some other things.

Yep, ill grab it from my girlfriends and get it on here later. Sorry for the wait i should have already had it up here.

[ieatsrt8]

There was a 430+rwhp truck out here running 13's same day i was 12's.... I dont know what to tell you

Ya I need your tuners number.... lol Skiba, you up for tuning another SS?

[Prostock85]

Just as an FYI before this
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l307/prostock85/Slow%20SS/Image038.jpg
There was this. (only VMS tune and my intake) -320 DA. Stock tires, rest stock
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l307/prostock85/789.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l307/prostock85/1011.jpg

[spddmn]

:rofl:I think next door would be too far away!

Ummm, you guys really expect me to drive to texas? All because you think the few of us here in illinois are all lying about going 12's with boltons. Give me a break![/QUOTE]

Well, better yet and closer, we'll be in Michigan Sept. 4th thru the 7th if there are any takers? I am not saying all that claim to have bolt-ons are running NOS. But for my own curiousity, I want to run someone who states these unreal times with only bolt-ons, knowing their not running NOS and see how we fair up to them. Then all the bullshit will be put to rest!! But thats all we maggie guys, as we are referred to have, bolt-ons that is. We bolted our maggies' on, bolted the TB's on, the CAI's, headers and a few other things that some have attached. So all in all, should be a good race!!:cheers1: I don't know, maybe others consider NOS as a bolt-on as well since ya do attach it to a bung:rofl:

Think about it guys, the reasoning behind the questions for the bolt-on times. You've got 2 guys on the west coast that are blown, know what the hell they are doing when it comes to matching up mods, are
2wd, just as light as the bolt-on guys with the exception of their maggies.......that produce 120hp by the way and there are some trying to say they are not running NOS for these times??? Come on, these 2 aren't stupid as well as the rest of us being at the track with others that have just bolt-on, great tunes and they are amazed at how the maggie run past them. All of this can be put to rest by racing, plain & simple!

[NORCAL SS]

HEY IF You are gonna be in texas or by there im sure pedro and a few other guys from there will race yah?? worth a try

[spddmn]

HEY IF You are gonna be in texas or by there im sure pedro and a few other guys from there will race yah?? worth a try

That's what I sent the invite for....no hard feelings here, just want to race and put all this bullshit to rest, ya know! Let the better driver/car win

[MyGoatBites]

You of all people know that big dyno #'s don't always equal good ET. LOTS AND LOTS of dyno queens out there with horrible combinations that run ablsolutely worthless.

That was my point exactly. Weather plays a HUGE roll in what stuff runs.

[Ohnoitsa60]

Ummm, you guys really expect me to drive to texas? All because you think the few of us here in illinois are all lying about going 12's with boltons. Give me a break!

Well, better yet and closer, we'll be in Michigan Sept. 4th thru the 7th if there are any takers? I am not saying all that claim to have bolt-ons are running NOS. But for my own curiousity, I want to run someone who states these unreal times with only bolt-ons, knowing their not running NOS and see how we fair up to them. Then all the bullshit will be put to rest!! But thats all we maggie guys, as we are referred to have, bolt-ons that is. We bolted our maggies' on, bolted the TB's on, the CAI's, headers and a few other things that some have attached. So all in all, should be a good race!!:cheers1: I don't know, maybe others consider NOS as a bolt-on as well since ya do attach it to a bung:rofl:

Think about it guys, the reasoning behind the questions for the bolt-on times. You've got 2 guys on the west coast that are blown, know what the hell they are doing when it comes to matching up mods, are
2wd, just as light as the bolt-on guys with the exception of their maggies.......that produce 120hp by the way and there are some trying to say they are not running NOS for these times??? Come on, these 2 aren't stupid as well as the rest of us being at the track with others that have just bolt-on, great tunes and they are amazed at how the maggie run past them. All of this can be put to rest by racing, plain & simple![/QUOTE]

What part of Michigan are you going to be in? I am would consider going and I am sure Balistik wouldnt mind going. So let us know where. I cant street race right now but would be happy line em up at the track:devil2:
Btw I have hit 12's in positive da' with full interior. Just spare and jack out of truck with bolt on's.
Just noticed this, 5830ft altitude .................Holy Moses thats up there!!
You should def see better times if you have the truck in mich.

[ieatsrt8]

Good god, what tune drops you by .75 of a second in the quarter?

I went 14.33 stock AWD with no mods... Tune, CAI, IAT relocate went 13.62, 13.67 Now went back to the track a few weeks on back 90 out, 55% humidity think DA was close to 3000 went 14.1 while there was a stock 06 mustang GT and Charger R/T running 14.9 at best. DA and weather play a huge factor.
Ohnoitsa60 Id join ya since I live in Michigan, but I wont be ready till mid november to take it to the track.

[Ohnoitsa60]

I went 14.33 stock AWD with no mods... Tune, CAI, IAT relocate went 13.62, 13.67 Now went back to the track a few weeks on back 90 out, 55% humidity think DA was close to 3000 went 14.1 while there was a stock 06 mustang GT and Charger R/T running 14.9 at best. DA and weather play a huge factor.

Your right but we dont have the best weather In Chicago either. The track we go to is very close to sea level which helps out.
Plan and SIMPLE Balistik and Skiba's trucks are movin out real good for what they have.

[Balistikss]

Ummm, you guys really expect me to drive to texas? All because you think the few of us here in illinois are all lying about going 12's with boltons. Give me a break!

Well, better yet and closer, we'll be in Michigan Sept. 4th thru the 7th if there are any takers? I am not saying all that claim to have bolt-ons are running NOS. But for my own curiousity, I want to run someone who states these unreal times with only bolt-ons, knowing their not running NOS and see how we fair up to them. Then all the bullshit will be put to rest!! But thats all we maggie guys, as we are referred to have, bolt-ons that is. We bolted our maggies' on, bolted the TB's on, the CAI's, headers and a few other things that some have attached. So all in all, should be a good race!!:cheers1: I don't know, maybe others consider NOS as a bolt-on as well since ya do attach it to a bung:rofl:

Think about it guys, the reasoning behind the questions for the bolt-on times. You've got 2 guys on the west coast that are blown, know what the hell they are doing when it comes to matching up mods, are
2wd, just as light as the bolt-on guys with the exception of their maggies.......that produce 120hp by the way and there are some trying to say they are not running NOS for these times??? Come on, these 2 aren't stupid as well as the rest of us being at the track with others that have just bolt-on, great tunes and they are amazed at how the maggie run past them. All of this can be put to rest by racing, plain & simple!


I doubt you will be "RUNNING" past us. Give me a date and time.

I say if we go to michigan, and i get a 12 second time slip and you go through my truck and dont find nitrous, You get to write an apology on my 12 second timeslip for me to post up here. Sound good? LOL

[Skiba]

Did you know that the rear section of carpet on the TBSS weighs a little over 30lbs? No?

You want to duplicate the trucks NA, go to www.trailvoy.com and do a post search by my name. Happy reading...

What drag strip in Michigan?

What I want to see is someone with a maggie equipped truck who is willing to do the same weight reduction and has the knowledge to tune his own truck right. Now that would be a FAST maggie truck I wouldn't any part of if he/she could get it to hook.

This is really a ridiculous argument. Norcal's truck and others have the MPH to put a pretty good whooping on even the quickest NA trucks. The issue is traction and definitely not power.

At this point I don't really give a care if you choose to or even can understand. I can only point you to how you, yourself can do it. What you choose to do with that information is up to you. :dunno:

[MyGoatBites]

Anyone know what this is?

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4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5

How bout this?

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and one more
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[JohnnyZ28]

i race high 12 second cars and i beat them. Best runs is with low 12 second cars (which will be doing again this weekend). As you saw that video vs my buddys wrx off the line sucked but now with 275 40 17 drag rads hooking is no problem. now to take off torque managment and all that good stuff truck should rip.

I drove to the track it was 80 degrees out and cool down time was not long at all and ran great. i really feel with the maggie exhaust is a big killer on these trucks thats why I did my entire exhaust before i got the blower on.

THere is a awd guy out here that has a maggie with the 2.9 pulley no other mods at all. Stock maggie tune and bone stock ran a 14.48 now with the maggie on it ran a 13.03@103. He dropped off 1.5 seconds allmost and totally streetable and this guy is the one i did the coilovers on that drives over 130 miles a day to work and back home. Currently has over 15000 miles with the blower on and only thing i did for him was change to a new goodyear belt. Im sure when he gets a stall truck should run 12s and main thing its held up fine.

Blown or NA get a stall on these trucks and watch the difference.

You race high 12 second track cars on the street. You have no idea what you'd really run. The SMALLEST mistake on a launch could make you go from a 12.50 to a 13.00. If you want to street race, go for it. Your truck is obviously fast... but go to a track and see what it really does. Tracks don't lie!

Again, don't use someone elses track times as justification for yours.

[NORCAL SS]

You race high 12 second track cars on the street. You have no idea what you'd really run. The SMALLEST mistake on a launch could make you go from a 12.50 to a 13.00. If you want to street race, go for it. Your truck is obviously fast... but go to a track and see what it really does. Tracks don't lie!

Again, don't use someone elses track times as justification for yours.


johnny what are you talkin about i put up the timeslip 12.7@109 2.1 60 foot time. I race people who run high 12s and off the line i dont hook but i wheel them in at the top end easy. Then we go from a rolling start from 25-30 mph and game over for them right away just like the video i posted with my buddys wrx who ran a 12.7@107. Off the line i got sawed off and rolling start i just pulled away from him. On drag radials now he has no chance at all.

[MyGoatBites]

A stall isn't making a very big difference on the maggie trucks for some reason. Hmmmmmm, I wonder if I already explained why?

[MikeG]

Wow, this thread has gotten into some shit talking. I am sure if anyone wants to come down to Texas, we can set up something with a bolt-on only, No Spray, TBSS for them to race. Just let us know when....

[T-Mac]

What I want to see is someone with a maggie equipped truck who is willing to do the same weight reduction and has the knowledge to tune his own truck right. Now that would be a FAST maggie truck I wouldn't any part of if he/she could get it to hook.
Hopefully I'm going to be that guy. With AWD hooking won't be a problem, but it will make it slower than a 2WD for sure. HPTuners due in any day now, and then it should be just a matter of time to tune it right. Trying to decide on the converter now. Anyone running the PTGM55HSX converter from Phoenix, and if so, What do you think of it.

[Skiba]

T-Mac - I would skip the converter for the time being with the maggie. Guys fail to realize that with more weight and power the converter will stall higher naturally.

[Balistikss]

T-Mac - I would skip the converter for the time being with the maggie. Guys fail to realize that with more weight and power the converter will stall higher naturally.

Nah, the higher the stall the better right John? LOL

[rrmccabe]

Anyone know what this is?

5 6 7.5 8.5 9.5 11 12.5 14 16 17.5 18.5 19
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5
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4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5

How bout this?

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I will let a few folks guess and then I will fill in everyone

and one more
150 140 125 115 105 90 75 60 40 25 15 10
160 150 140 130 120 105 95 80 60 45 35 25
160 150 140 130 120 105 95 80 60 45 35 25
160 150 140 130 120 105 95 80 60 45 35 25
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Looks like tables out of HPT or EFI live but who knows what.

[NORCAL SS]

Hopefully I'm going to be that guy. With AWD hooking won't be a problem, but it will make it slower than a 2WD for sure. HPTuners due in any day now, and then it should be just a matter of time to tune it right. Trying to decide on the converter now. Anyone running the PTGM55HSX converter from Phoenix, and if so, What do you think of it.


i have the converter in my truck and made a nice difference with the maggie. I wouldnt get a stall until you have money for a new tranny honestly.

[Skiba]

i have the converter in my truck and made a nice difference with the maggie. I wouldnt get a stall until you have money for a new tranny honestly. What were your before converter times with the maggie?

[MyGoatBites]

Looks like tables out of HPT or EFI live but who knows what.

The first one if the timing table for a maggie truck the second is a heads cam truck.

[JohnnyZ28]

The first one if the timing table for a maggie truck the second is a heads cam truck.

I'm not a tuner, so what are you getting at?

[Left Coast '32]

The MagnaChargers do great with more timing. You need to be careful of the extra torque and horse power as the transmission will give up with that much more added. The other thing is that the fueling needs to be dead nuts on or it will go lean on you. My fueling is + or - 1% on the long and short term trims with a lot of timing and the AFR is between 11.4 - 11.8 trough the WOT boosted areas. It takes some work to get it this way and I don't recommend it for the novice because it you bring it up too fast you will get detonation, each vehicles is different as the fuel you use is also. I run a 50/50 mix of 113 and 91 to support the timing I use.

[Skiba]

The first one if the timing table for a maggie truck the second is a heads cam truck.
heads and cam timing table eh... well at least I now know why my bolton truck is now faster than some heads and cam guys.

[rrmccabe]

The first one if the timing table for a maggie truck the second is a heads cam truck.

Whats the third? Do we have to drag it out of ya? haha

[NORCAL SS]

What were your before converter times with the maggie?

never went with stock stall but off the line the truck is faster with the stall in. Street racing the first night out i could see that. before with stock stall would spin and hook and now try to launch converter flashes and its a no go at all. with 275 40 17 drag radials on the truck it takes off a lot faster than before when i had the stock stall in the truck on the drag radials no doubt.

[MyGoatBites]

The third is assuming only 10 horsepower per degree of timing. That is how much power is left on the table. You can almost double those values in torque left on the table. So for those of you wondering why the maggie truck arent picking up .6 tenths with a converter like the NA trucks.....there is your answer. The Maggie would grenade a trans in a couple passes. Now it would be interesting to see what happens with a fully built trans and drag radials w a maggie. I would bet there would be some amazing times. Especially since the maggie will make far more torque down low than a NA truck ever could.

The maggies on the TBSS are still in the realm of discovery. It took over a year for the maggie GTO's to find their stride and post up fast times. All the maggie haters just need to sit back and watch a bit.....that is all I am saying.

[PEDRO]

Sounds like a good job for Pedro.


IM THERE!!!!!!!

[PEDRO]

HEY IF You are gonna be in texas or by there im sure pedro and a few other guys from there will race yah?? worth a try

Ill be there to run more 12s NA

[PEDRO]

Anyone know what this is?

5 6 7.5 8.5 9.5 11 12.5 14 16 17.5 18.5 19
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5
4 5 6 7 8 9.5 10.5 12 14 15.5 16.5 17.5

How bout this?

30 24 24 24 24 24 24 24 24 24 24 24
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I will let a few folks guess and then I will fill in everyone

and one more
150 140 125 115 105 90 75 60 40 25 15 10
160 150 140 130 120 105 95 80 60 45 35 25
160 150 140 130 120 105 95 80 60 45 35 25
160 150 140 130 120 105 95 80 60 45 35 25
160 150 140 130 120 105 95 80 60 45 35 25
160 150 140 130 120 105 95 80 60 45 35 25
160 150 140 130 120 105 95 80 60 45 35 25
160 150 140 130 120 105 95 80 60 45 35 25
160 150 140 130 120 105 95 80 60 45 35 25
160 150 140 130 120 105 95 80 60 45 35 25
160 150 140 130 120 105 95 80 60 45 35 25
160 150 140 130 120 105 95 80 60 45 35 25
160 150 140 130 120 105 95 80 60 45 35 25
160 150 140 130 120 105 95 80 60 45 35 25


who's tb is that with the heads and cam that u show the graph for??

[Balistikss]

The third is assuming only 10 horsepower per degree of timing. That is how much power is left on the table. You can almost double those values in torque left on the table. So for those of you wondering why the maggie truck arent picking up .6 tenths with a converter like the NA trucks.....there is your answer. The Maggie would grenade a trans in a couple passes. Now it would be interesting to see what happens with a fully built trans and drag radials w a maggie. I would bet there would be some amazing times. Especially since the maggie will make far more torque down low than a NA truck ever could.

The maggies on the TBSS are still in the realm of discovery. It took over a year for the maggie GTO's to find their stride and post up fast times. All the maggie haters just need to sit back and watch a bit.....that is all I am saying.


Who the hell picked up .6 tenths with just adding a converter?

[spddmn]

Who the hell picked up .6 tenths with just adding a converter?

What, it's just a bolt-on! :boff:

[spddmn]

Will be in Wyandott Michigan so whom ever wants to have some fun, let us know. Can exchange numbers and go from there!

[T-Mac]

i have the converter in my truck and made a nice difference with the maggie. I wouldnt get a stall until you have money for a new tranny honestly.
Great advise Norcal. It's the smart thing to do with these trucks. I had my trans built a week before the maggie install.
The MagnaChargers do great with more timing. You need to be careful of the extra torque and horse power as the transmission will give up with that much more added. The other thing is that the fueling needs to be dead nuts on or it will go lean on you. My fueling is + or - 1% on the long and short term trims with a lot of timing and the AFR is between 11.4 - 11.8 trough the WOT boosted areas. It takes some work to get it this way and I don't recommend it for the novice because it you bring it up too fast you will get detonation, each vehicles is different as the fuel you use is also. I run a 50/50 mix of 113 and 91 to support the timing I use.
Thanks Joe. This looks like priceless info.
...The maggies on the TBSS are still in the realm of discovery. It took over a year for the maggie GTO's to find their stride and post up fast times. All the maggie haters just need to sit back and watch a bit.....that is all I am saying.
And that is well said.

[Balistikss]

T-MAC, what do you have done to your truck? Besides the maggie....

[Balistikss]

Im doing this off of a scanner at work that ive never used so lets see if it works....

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m136/low03noma/12.8secondslip.jpg

Yep, work beautiful! Hey, spddmn What now? Still dont believe me right? Im the right lane, and RossiSS is the left lane. 2 N/A trucks in the 12's, although he has alot more work and heads, cam, headers........ T-Mac has been to the track with RossiSS and you can ask him what i ran that day. This timeslip has our two best runs of that night. RossiSS was also faster than T-Mac by Quite a bit (the night they went together), and i was slightly faster than Rossiss (the night we went.) (although im hoping that with different tuning RossiSS will take me no problem, i think has truck has more left in it.)

[T-Mac]

T-MAC, what do you have done to your truck? Besides the maggie....
Trans built and TCI max-cool pan, maggie installed with boost gage, LS7 TB, SLP dual cat-back for looks, ADM e-fan, and more than a few cosmetic changes to the exterior. Maggie purchased 10/06 came with the 3.0 pulley. I have run the 2.9 and 2.8 but I think fuel and timing are skewed so I've got HPTuners on the way. Truck seems to be running rich, so I'm going to find out for myself. I know it will take time, but I think I have the smarts to tune it without blowing it up. I pretty sure I'm going with the 2600-2800 Phoenix converter, and add a tranny cooler. If I can get it to run mid 12's in November air, I'll be satisfied. Engine was heat soaked when I ran the 13.34, but I ran what it ran.

[T-Mac]

... RossiSS was also faster than T-Mac by Quite a bit (the night they went together), and i was slightly faster than Rossiss (the night we went.) (although im hoping that with different tuning RossiSS will take me no problem, i think has truck has more left in it.)
When we ran the difference was the 3200 Vig converter he added. After 100' he had me by 1 1/2 lengths and thats where we stayed on both runs. Had the pleasure of driving his truck and it launches HARD. I have the vid if I can figure out how to get it on here.

[Left Coast '32]

This thread is now 11 pages long and I normally don't even respond to these type of threads.

There are several ways to make a 12 second pass in a TBSS. You can use Meth/Alcohol/Nos/Turbo/Supercharger or any combination. The MPH and ET are an indication of more power.

I can hide anything except Turbo/Supercharger so that No-One on this board could find it.

It takes HP to make a 12 second pass in a vehicle as heavy as ours. I have been racing for 25+ years and have built in excess of 50 vehicles in that time. I have installed and tuned Alcohol Injection and NOS so that you could not find it.

[PEDRO]

MPH is an indicator of HP. obviously the Na trucks u can tell only get at 106 while the power adders are gona be alot higher.

[spddmn]

Trans built and TCI max-cool pan, maggie installed with boost gage, LS7 TB, SLP dual cat-back for looks, ADM e-fan, and more than a few cosmetic changes to the exterior. Maggie purchased 10/06 came with the 3.0 pulley. I have run the 2.9 and 2.8 but I think fuel and timing are skewed so I've got HPTuners on the way. Truck seems to be running rich, so I'm going to find out for myself. I know it will take time, but I think I have the smarts to tune it without blowing it up. I pretty sure I'm going with the 2600-2800 Phoenix converter, and add a tranny cooler. If I can get it to run mid 12's in November air, I'll be satisfied. Engine was heat soaked when I ran the 13.34, but I ran what it ran.

Agreed T-Mac, I think you have A LOT more you can get out of the maggie. You can see in our signature what, "Bolt-ons,":rofl: we have, not much, come Aug. 6th, we'll have a little more with the same tranny set up as Left Coast 32. As it sits now, we ran 13.723@102 here in Denver and our track sits at 5830ft above sea level and a stock tranny. So again, there is no doubt you have more to pull out of your motor. Good luck in pursuing that too :coolthumb:

[Balistikss]

This thread is now 11 pages long and I normally don't even respond to these type of threads.

There are several ways to make a 12 second pass in a TBSS. You can use Meth/Alcohol/Nos/Turbo/Supercharger or any combination. The MPH and ET are an indication of more power.

I can hide anything except Turbo/Supercharger so that No-One on this board could find it.

It takes HP to make a 12 second pass in a vehicle as heavy as ours. I have been racing for 25+ years and have built in excess of 50 vehicles in that time. I have installed and tuned Alcohol Injection and NOS so that you could not find it.


So your calling me a liar then? and saying i have to be spraying? Thats some funny shit!

[NORCAL SS]

This thread is now 11 pages long and I normally don't even respond to these type of threads.

There are several ways to make a 12 second pass in a TBSS. You can use Meth/Alcohol/Nos/Turbo/Supercharger or any combination. The MPH and ET are an indication of more power.

I can hide anything except Turbo/Supercharger so that No-One on this board could find it.

It takes HP to make a 12 second pass in a vehicle as heavy as ours. I have been racing for 25+ years and have built in excess of 50 vehicles in that time. I have installed and tuned Alcohol Injection and NOS so that you could not find it.


heh like we did on my buddys ls1 maro. plumed underneath the manifold. Wilson also sells a similar set up or it it nitrous express i forgot. Freakin cant even tell its there.

[NORCAL SS]

So your calling me a liar then? and saying i have to be spraying? Thats some funny shit!


just lookin at the 1/8 mile time you are hookin hard. 1.7 vs 2.1 for me then the mph your at 83 im at 88 i need to get the power to the ground.

[Left Coast '32]

So your calling me a liar then? and saying i have to be spraying? Thats some funny shit!

I am not saying that you are not running 12's what I am saying is that it takes power to do it.

In the end you can say anything you want. But to be saying that you are running no type of power adder is bull shit.

Are you running alcohol and race gas or maybe some other combination????? I dont know and dont care!!!!

[spddmn]

So your calling me a liar then? and saying i have to be spraying? Thats some funny shit!

It's called the laws of physics!!

[Balistikss]

Ok, no one has the balls to come to the track with me, and your all a little butt hurt that your trucks dont run as good as they should with 5 times the money spent. Thats ok, id be pissed to. Anyone who wants to come here can watch me throw down a 12, and i will give you 5k if you can find ANY power adder. Im running 93 octane gas also. But let me guess, i wont have any takers and you will all just keep talking shit. I posted my slips and the DA and you still Bitch. HOLY SHIT! (end rant)

[Balistikss]

In the end you can say anything you want. But to be saying that you are running no type of power adder is bull shit.

Are you running alcohol and race gas or maybe some other combination????? I dont know and dont care!!!!


Come out here, it will go 12's and you wont find a power adder. Ill give you 5k if you do. So come on out here and collect your money or quit your bitching. And you do care, because you keep posting B.S. so:biteme:

[NORCAL SS]

Ok, no one has the balls to come to the track with me, and your all a little butt hurt that your trucks dont run as good as they should with 5 times the money spent. Thats ok, id be pissed to. Anyone who wants to come here can watch me throw down a 12, and i will give you 5k if you can find ANY power adder. Im running 93 octane gas also. But let me guess, i wont have any takers and you will all just keep talking shit. I posted my slips and the DA and you still Bitch. HOLY SHIT! (end rant)


wait hold on relax bro. one question your truck was 1/10 slower than a guy who had cam, heads and more bolt ons than you??? and you guys trapped about the same???

and who said im not happy with the way my truck runs?? 12.7@109 i think thats fair i mean look at the 1/8 mile time almost 89 and my 60 foot times are 2.1s. 91 ca pump gas also.

[Left Coast '32]

Come out here, it will go 12's and you wont find a power adder. Ill give you 5k if you do. So come on out here and collect your money or quit your bitching. And you do care, because you keep posting B.S. so:biteme:

Did I hit a nerve there?????

[icu812]

Did I hit a nerve there?????

And don't forget Joe that removing the seats, carpet, door panels, grill, headlights, dash, headliner, spare, jack, etc., etc. is really the way most people drive their trucks around>NOT! As you said it takes about 120-150 hp to make a 4500-4800 lbs truck run into the 12s. How any tuning, and few bolt ons is going to do that is in the realm of quantum physics. Dropping 2 full seconds off stock times. Kind of hard to believe with simple bolt ons, don't ya think. Oh by the way, my truck should then run into the 10s on the shot.

[Skiba]

So your calling me a liar then? and saying i have to be spraying? Thats some funny shit!

No BalistikSS, he's calling me a liar which makes him ignorant to what how much of an affect weight has and a good tune. All these guys are going off of canned tunes because 99% of them don't wrench themselves. It's easy to call BS from behind the keyboard for what ones simple mind can't comprehend.

Left Coast '32 - I will say this one more time - good combo + good tune + less weight = pretty quit bolton TBSS. All on 93 octane gas naturally aspirated. No hidden NOS, no other "power adder." If you're still calling me a liar, then PM your name and phone # and I'll call you so we can arrange for you to come out to track, watch it run and find the so called NOS on the trucks. When you don't find any NOS or power adder on it, I'll be happy to take the title to your truck.

This is some funny shit as their are a lot of local guys who have seen these trucks run and can when ever they want to.

Man, you gotta love the internet jocks. :rofl:

[Skiba]

And don't forget Joe that removing the seats, carpet, door panels, grill, headlights, dash, headliner, spare, jack, etc., etc. is really the way most people drive their trucks around>NOT! As you said it takes about 120-150 hp to make a 4500-4800 lbs truck run into the 12s. How any tuning, and few bolt ons is going to do that is in the realm of quantum physics. Dropping 2 full seconds off stock times. Kind of hard to believe with simple bolt ons, don't ya think. Oh by the way, my truck should then run into the 10s on the shot.

Fucking funny as shit... yeah removing the rear seats and the passenger seat takes a whopping 15 minutes or so for the track. Grill, headlights, door panels, headliner, carpet, ... bwahahahaha :rofl: I could use another TBSS, care to put your title where your internet mouth is? :boff:

[Skiba]

It's called the laws of physics!!

No, it's just called... you have no f'ing clue what you are doing. :biteme:

[spddmn]

Ok, no one has the balls to come to the track with me, and your all a little butt hurt that your trucks dont run as good as they should with 5 times the money spent. Thats ok, id be pissed to. Anyone who wants to come here can watch me throw down a 12, and i will give you 5k if you can find ANY power adder. Im running 93 octane gas also. But let me guess, i wont have any takers and you will all just keep talking shit. I posted my slips and the DA and you still Bitch. HOLY SHIT! (end rant)

Your missing the point, no one is saying your not running 12sec nor are we saying you don't have the slips to prove it. It's plain and simple like I stated before, the LAWS OF PHYSICS! HP and weight ratio to what your stating your running on, don't add up! I myself may not know how to locate these power adders, but there are those on here that can. So you can talk till your blue in the face about your times/bolt-ons and these ones who do know how to locate these adders, besides common sense and the laws of physics, and you'll be called bullshit on it every time. And once again, as I stated before, we'll be in Wyandott, Mich on Sept. 04 thru the 7th and will run with anyone, getting spanked or not! Besides, if a bolt on truck runs that good there with no NOS or other power adders, thinking ours will.....OH MY......well, guess we'll see is all

[Atv Pro]

12.9 at 105.6......stock converter....stock heads....no power adders....crappy da

[Left Coast '32]

No BalistikSS, he's calling me a liar which makes him ignorant to what how much of an affect weight has and a good tune. All these guys are going off of canned tunes because 99% of them don't wrench themselves. It's easy to call BS from behind the keyboard for what ones simple mind can't comprehend.

Left Coast '32 - I will say this one more time - good combo + good tune + less weight = pretty quit bolton TBSS. All on 93 octane gas naturally aspirated. No hidden NOS, no other "power adder." If you're still calling me a liar, then PM your name and phone # and I'll call you so we can arrange for you to come out to track, watch it run and find the so called NOS on the trucks. When you don't find any NOS or power adder on it, I'll be happy to take the title to your truck.

This is some funny shit as their are a lot of local guys who have seen these trucks run and can when ever they want to.

Man, you gotta love the internet jocks. :rofl:

There is no canned tune in mine?? I wrench and tune my own.

Power to weight ratio is what I am saying doesnt work.

We can all meet in Vegas for test/tune/dyno/drag strip fun.

You need to start selling your tune if it is so Damn good brother!!!

You would need to be at 400 HP at the wheels and 4000 lbs race weight with you in it to run in the 12's, it is simple physics. These are assuming perfect conditions too.

I am not the one with the hurt feeling. I am more then willing to run anyone out here with mine. And dont worry I dont want your title it is all fun!

Feel free to give me a call anytime, my number is all over this site.

[Balistikss]

wait hold on relax bro. one question your truck was 1/10 slower than a guy who had cam, heads and more bolt ons than you??? and you guys trapped about the same???



No, im saying i was 1/10th faster then he was. he was 12.9 i was 12.8

[spddmn]

No, it's just called... you have no f'ing clue what you are doing. :biteme:

I'll say one thing then, "Skiba,", ya might want to listen for the phone ringing or someone @ your door, cause either Superchips, Diablo or one of the tuner companies will be attempting to contact you real soon to head up their companies. Cause brother, you are the shit with those tunes your doing! Must be rough knowing how to program tunes better then those that build an empire doing so and not get the recognition you deserve! Your right, may not know anywhere near as much as most but one simple thing comes into play, common sense and mamma didn't raise no fool!

[Balistikss]

There is no canned tune in mine?? I wrench and tune my own.

Power to weight ratio is what I am saying doesnt work.

We can all meet in Vegas for test/tune/dyno/drag strip fun.

You need to start selling your tune if it is so Damn good brother!!!

You would need to be at 400 HP at the wheels and 4000 lbs race weight with you in it to run in the 12's, it is simple physics. These are assuming perfect conditions too.

I am not the one with the hurt feeling. I am more then willing to run anyone out here with mine. And dont worry I dont want your title it is all fun!

Feel free to give me a call anytime, my number is all over this site.

Your power to weight ratio is a bit off, here- my truck with the spare dropped and the rear seats out. (That is all the weight reduction done!)
1SS with sun, sound and entertainment package. Mods-true cold air intake, my hsrk, exhaust (cat back corsa), ud pulley, ls1 fans, tr6 plugs, rpm trans, 3400 vig stall 9.5 2.53 str, Trans cooler, Lc1 wideband (havent even used it yet) Ls7 tb. THATS IT! +DA of +1800-+2000. Truck went 12.8 with a 1.77 60ft. STOCK TIRES! I have no reason to make this up, its not like im a vendor trying to sell my parts or something.

[Balistikss]

common sense and mamma didn't raise no fool!

LOL i wish you knew. My truck went 13.4 with only the intake, ud pulley, and corsa, Is it that hard to drop 6 tenths with everything ive added since then?

Although i see why you are on us so hard, your best is 13.7 lol How are those mountains treating you? Is the track on an uphill too?

Here is the 13.4 timeslip

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m136/low03noma/13.jpg

[Left Coast '32]

Let me say it this way.

You could be running Meth/Alcohol to support a very aggressive timing table to run these times. Everywhere, Meth/Alcohol is not considered a power adder. I dont know what you guys are running and dont really care. I just see the answers to be very misleading.

Thanks for the entertainment this morning!

[Skiba]

I'll say one thing then, "Skiba,", ya might want to listen for the phone ringing or someone @ your door, cause either Superchips, Diablo or one of the tuner companies will be attempting to contact you real soon to head up their companies. Cause brother, you are the shit with those tunes your doing! Must be rough knowing how to program tunes better then those that build an empire doing so and not get the recognition you deserve! Your right, may not know anywhere near as much as most but one simple thing comes into play, common sense and mamma didn't raise no fool!

"common sense and mamma didn't raise no fool" - Man if I were your you I'd watch how I use that statement because in this case you are just that a fool. Sorry bro nothing special. LIke I said, I know my way around an LSx engine just a tad bit. ;) The tbss isn't my first LSx engine based vehicle. What's funny is that my 86K mile original engine/trans AUTOMATIC vette before this ran 11.6@120mph w/ 1.76 60' with TEA 1.5 heads and 216/220 cam + a bunch of other boltons, headers, etc. I had a bunch of people call BS all the time for the mods. Now a VERY well known professional tuner owns that car and is having some fun times with it. Say it's faster and more fun to drive than some of the supercharged vettes he's tuned. LOLs.

Your going to believe what you will. Hell, I remember when I met BalistikSS on the internet a few months ago at www.trailvoy.com. After we ran one another and I still beat him despite his converter, he asked me to tune his truck... the rest is history and you guys need to relax.

I'm sure their are local guys that are doubters also and as I get to their trucks, they'll be all happy. :cheers1:

[Skiba]

Let me say it this way.

You could be running Meth/Alcohol to support a very aggressive timing table to run these times. Everywhere, Meth/Alcohol is not considered a power adder. I dont know what you guys are running and dont really care. I just see the answers to be very misleading.

Thanks for the entertainment this morning!

No meth/alcohol to support anything. Next...

Dude, go to trailvoy, I have a ton of pictures posted of my engine bay and intake setup.

[Balistikss]

Let me say it this way.

You could be running Meth/Alcohol to support a very aggressive timing table to run these times. Everywhere, Meth/Alcohol is not considered a power adder. I dont know what you guys are running and dont really care. I just see the answers to be very misleading.

Thanks for the entertainment this morning!

No meth or alcohol, or i would have put that in my list of mods i just wrote out to you a few posts up

[icu812]

No BalistikSS, he's calling me a liar which makes him ignorant to what how much of an affect weight has and a good tune. All these guys are going off of canned tunes because 99% of them don't wrench themselves. It's easy to call BS from behind the keyboard for what ones simple mind can't comprehend.

Left Coast '32 - I will say this one more time - good combo + good tune + less weight = pretty quit bolton TBSS. All on 93 octane gas naturally aspirated. No hidden NOS, no other "power adder." If you're still calling me a liar, then PM your name and phone # and I'll call you so we can arrange for you to come out to track, watch it run and find the so called NOS on the trucks. When you don't find any NOS or power adder on it, I'll be happy to take the title to your truck.

This is some funny shit as their are a lot of local guys who have seen these trucks run and can when ever they want to.

Man, you gotta love the internet jocks. :rofl:

I have a better and more logical idea since it's all about maggies vs bolt ons. Come on out to Vegas and we'll run straight up for $10,000 (or you name the price), maggie vs. bolt. I will not use the spray and if you win I'll pay all your expenses plus the $10,000 including hotel, gas, food, trailoring, etc. If you lose, just cough up the bucks. Hey, free trip to Vegas for you, a good time and you can prove yourself. Oh yes, a 402, 427, 454 block with a mild, not noticable cam with head work, etc. is not allowed. Seeing is believing and if you can even get into the low 13s here, you would be doing something none of the other bolt on TBSS can even get close to.

[rrmccabe]

I dont think the bolt on guys are saying they will beat the Maggies. All they are saying is they can run 12's.

Mike (SSUV2NV) just told me there are 4 2wd SS in his area runing boltons and no adders runing 12's now.

[Ultimate Fighter]

I am not saying that you are not running 12's what I am saying is that it takes power to do it.

In the end you can say anything you want. But to be saying that you are running no type of power adder is bull shit.

Are you running alcohol and race gas or maybe some other combination????? I dont know and dont care!!!!

Hey Balistickss .... Isnt it funny when someone that thinks they know everything and really doesnt know shit at all ! By the way balistick ,there is another guy in michigan with the basic same boltons and he is running the same times and speed you are !!

[Balistikss]

I dont think the bolt on guys are saying they will beat the Maggies. All they are saying is they can run 12's.

Mike (SSUV2NV) just told me there are 4 2wd SS in his area runing boltons and no adders runing 12's now.

THANK YOU, Someone who can read!

[Balistikss]

Hey Balistickss .... Isnt it funny when someone that thinks they know everything and really doesnt know shit at all ! By the way balistick ,there is another guy in michigan with the basic same boltons and he is running the same times and speed you are !!

I know there has to be others running these times, and with more tuning, im still hoping for better. Maybe even more bolt ons?

[icu812]

I dont think the bolt on guys are saying they will beat the Maggies. All they are saying is they can run 12's.

Mike (SSUV2NV) just told me there are 4 2wd SS in his area runing boltons and no adders runing 12's now.

Wasn't going to get into this, but a few of us absolutely know that "some" of the 12 sec bolt on trucks are running spray and not telling anyone. This has been going on for a long time but everytime they run a twelve sec pass, it's never mentioned. Why, because "it's the my dick is bigger and I know more than you know" and maybe they can't afford a SC right now? Several guys have actually owned up to NOX and they run high to middle 12 sec with up a 150 shot, even with progressive controllers, DR's, converter, headers, efan, pulleys, etc. This is one reason for the argument (that we know some people are running spray and not telling and others own up to it with the same times as bolt ons). Tuning means a lot but it's hard to believe their NOX tunes with 100-150 shot are that bad?????

[Balistikss]

Wasn't going to get into this, but a few of us absolutely know that "some" of the 12 sec bolt on trucks are running spray and not telling anyone. This has been going on for a long time but everytime they run a twelve sec pass, it's never mentioned. Why, because "it's the my dick is bigger and I know more than you know" and maybe they can't afford a SC right now? Several guys have actually owned up to NOX and they run high to middle 12 sec with up a 150 shot, even with progressive controllers, DR's, converter, headers, efan, pulleys, etc. This is one reason for the argument (that we know some people are running spray and not telling and others own up to it with the same times as bolt ons). Tuning means a lot but it's hard to believe their NOX tunes with 100-150 shot are that bad?????

Shit, hang on. Let me go check.....

[Balistikss]

Nope still no spray under the hood

[icu812]

I dont think the bolt on guys are saying they will beat the Maggies. All they are saying is they can run 12's.

Mike (SSUV2NV) just told me there are 4 2wd SS in his area runing boltons and no adders runing 12's now.

Go back and look at the posts. Some of the posts are directly aimed at how "worthless" the maggies are and how we "wasted" our money, etc. etc.
also a lot of smack about how their bolt on trucks are faster that H/C trucks and SC trucks. We add stock about 120 hp and up to 180 hp whe tuned and pullied and they add much more with bolt ons. When pigs fly!

[spddmn]

LOL i wish you knew. My truck went 13.4 with only the intake, ud pulley, and corsa, Is it that hard to drop 6 tenths with everything ive added since then?

Although i see why you are on us so hard, your best is 13.7 lol How are those mountains treating you? Is the track on an uphill too?

Here is the 13.4 timeslip

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m136/low03noma/13.jpg

Okay, funny thing is on your slips your posting. Your 1/8 times whether your running 13.5 or 12.7 have the same trap speeds or at least, very close. Here comes that funning thing called common sense again, this would say that your truck runs better the 2nd 1/8.......but good lord why??????? Might want to ask your DADDY Skiba what this generaly is condusive to?...........squirt!
Like Joe said, this is all getting out of hand, yet very entertaining, very mundane! We will never know for sure who has what cause no one is willing to meet in the middle to run/tech these trucks. So one side will believe what they want and the other side will do the same! I feel another civil war brewing here.....east-vs-west. By the way, the reason I stated DADDY, remeber reading some of your first post, didn't know shit from what was contained in your posts, but now your the expert! Like I stated in this thread, I don't know shit compared to most here, but admit that. Difference is, I use common sense!

[icu812]

Nope still no spray under the hood

Just think, with a 100 shot you would catch the 11's no prob.

[Balistikss]

Just think, with a 100 shot you would catch the 11's no prob.

Maybe i should try it. HA then what would you say??

[Balistikss]

Okay, funny thing is on your slips your posting. Your 1/8 times whether your running 13.5 or 12.7 have the same trap speeds or at least, very close. Here comes that funning thing called common sense again, this would say that your truck runs better the 2nd 1/8.......but good lord why??????? Might want to ask your DADDY Skiba what this generaly is condusive to?...........squirt!
Like Joe said, this is all getting out of hand, yet very entertaining, very mundane! We will never know for sure who has what cause no one is willing to meet in the middle to run/tech these trucks. So one side will believe what they want and the other side will do the same! I feel another civil war brewing here.....east-vs-west. By the way, the reason I stated DADDY, remeber reading some of your first post, didn't know shit from what was contained in your posts, but now your the expert! Like I stated in this thread, I don't know shit compared to most here, but admit that. Difference is, I use common sense!

Ya, except the part where i gained less that two mph at the end of the track. Sorry try again

[PEDRO]

Coach, u know what sucks is that i know these guys are running them times cause i was running the same times in my truck when it was just boltons and stall. now that i got a different cam and heads, my truck is putting out the same numbers(380hp with boltons and 420 with the new stuff). Any who, it just sucks that ya guys cant see that it can happen. I could understand that if it was just ONE tbss running in the 12s on just boltons-yes go ahead and call the BS. But there are several tbss in teh 12s(mid to high 12s) Ask ADM, or is he not trust worthy to tell u that my truck ran those 12.6s(back to back, made 5 passes in 7 minutes) Andy did all the work to my truck, i havent even touched it, well cause i dont really know shit about mechanics. I just know boltons work and the stall helped alot. Ask mygoatbtes, he was there when i was running those times when he had his silver tbss at the track with us. Coach, i would've loved to still be a bolton guy and just shipp u the truck so that u could breaak the motor down and find NOTHING but boltons.